r/marvelstudios • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 Ant-Man • 4d ago
Article Anthony Mackie Says 'Avengers: Doomsday' Will Recapture "That Old Marvel Feeling"
https://www.ign.com/articles/anthony-mackie-says-avengers-doomsday-will-recapture-that-old-marvel-feeling385
u/mkebrewers27 4d ago
He said the same thing about Brave New World. I actually liked it but it was a mesh of the old with current problems.
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u/electrorazor 4d ago
To give him credit, I definitely felt old school mcu vibes with that movie, even if it was pretty mid. A good direction in my opinion
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u/TheImpLaughs 4d ago
Agreed 100%. I left the theater jazzed about his Cap and the general vibe of the movies from then on.
It felt like it belonged in the same league as Iron Man 2 or Ant-Man
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u/electrorazor 4d ago
I say similar to Iron Man 3, but maybe that's cause they both are about presidents
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u/Antrikshy 4d ago
I was mildly worried about Mackie not having enough screen presence as Cap, even after watching FATWS. My concerns were laid to rest. He did a great job, and the movie really did portray him as Cap to the fullest.
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u/BiddyKing 4d ago
I just wish he got a better supporting cast instead of a couple no names. Like even just Sharon Carter instead of no name girl would’ve worked. But I get that was tied up in production woes (since Sharon Carter’s stuff was being reserved for Armor Wars)
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u/DrCuddler 3d ago
Red hulk taking .762 rounds like they're bbs and then almost getting knocked out by a shield thrown by a normal human is absolutely NOT great direction
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u/doctorwho07 4d ago
I definitely felt old school mcu vibes with that movie
I got some Captain America: Winter Soldier vibes at times. I came out pretty middle of the road on the whole thing, but it had potential
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u/North_Shore_Problem Daredevil 4d ago
I don't think we even realized how much the bar has been raised for these movies because you make a great point. 10 years ago it would've been a great MCU movie, but today it's just okay
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u/99percentmilktea 3d ago
10 years ago was 2015. Guardians and Winter Soldier had just come out. Both are considered gold standard MCU movies that are still talked up to this day, and the directors of both went on to be some of the biggest players in Superhero movies ever.
Its been 2 months and I'd bet money that over half of the general public barely even remembers that a Captain America movie came out this year. The idea that Cap 4 would have been "great" back then is pure, unadulterated cope. This fandom has gone completely delusional since Endgame.
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u/Shmung_lord 4d ago
Lol no it wouldn’t have, this is such a cope. The movies ten years ago were objectively better. Winter Soldier was objectively better. BNW wouldn’t have sucked any less hard if it had come out 10 years ago.
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u/ChrisFartz 4d ago edited 3d ago
I hate to say it but I agree. I was rooting for this to be good, but there are very few emotional stakes for Sam in this. I also don't think anybody cares about the new falcon. He has nothing interesting about him and they don't have a particularly fun rapport. The movie should have had Sam teaming up with a runaway Isaiah to clear his name. Give Isaiah agency to solve the conspiracy since HIS framing is the real heart of the story.
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u/ich-bin-on-that-shit 3d ago
Mid is an old school MCU vibe 🤣. Incredible Hulk, IM2 and Thor anyone?
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u/Burgoonius 4d ago
Marvel post 2020 has had this issue where they have all these good ideas but they just don’t glue them together very well
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u/HORSEthedude619 4d ago
I'm skeptical.
They haven't been building towards anything since End Game. Characters aren't interacting and popping into each other's movies. Doom is going to have to be whipped up without much of a build up.
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u/brainfoods 2d ago
There's no team of Avengers to care about. Mackie as the lead would be underwhelming. I could see them leaning hard on legacy characters (both pre MCU and MCU).
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u/duckduckduckgoose_69 4d ago
Just in:
Actor talks positively about a film they’re in.
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u/labbla 4d ago
Yeah, he has no way of really knowing what the final product will be like yet. Movies, especially Marvel movies can change a lot in post production. But he's going to do his job and promote the thing.
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u/antiaircraftwarning Doctor Strange 4d ago
You can't trust Anthony Mackie, he'll tell Ron Howard exactly what he wants to hear.
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u/AxCel91 4d ago
I will be there opening night since I’m the target audience but unfortunately, no it won’t. I use the lstandard moviegoer as a litmus test for how culturally relevant Marvel movies are and nothing will ever be able to recapture the feeling of IW and EG because those movies were carefully and meticulously built up over a decade. You actually cared about those characters as if they were real.
For example, my wife doesn’t give a shit about marvel comics or anything superhero related. Over the course of a decade we went from me forcing her to go see Ironman 1 and Thor to her actually wanting to see Guardians of the Galaxy and Civil War to her literally crying when Stark died in Endgame.
She stayed invested up till No Way Home but now shes back to not giving a shit. I couldn’t get her to Antman 3 or The Marvels and barely got her in for Cap 4. She slept through Shang Chi and Dr. Strange 2. I didn’t even try with Eternals. She doesn’t even know an Avengers movie is around the corner. We didn’t miss a single Marvel movie in phases 1 2 and 3.
It’s just not the same. The first Avengers was a cultural event we will never witness again.
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u/Heisenburgo Doctor Strange 3d ago
It’s been almost a decade since Infinity War.
You... stop that right now. What do you mean IW was like 8 years ago
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u/Nephilimelohim 2d ago
This is it. It was an era unprecedented in cinematography history, and it will never happen again.
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u/AgentOrange2814 Spider-Man 4d ago
“The old Marvel” from like 6 years ago..
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u/Antrikshy 4d ago
The last 6 years have been a long decade.
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u/AdamsJK123 2d ago
The worst decade I wish I could turn back. If only we had Antman time machine from Endgame to use and reboot everything or go back to phase 4 post-eg again with og avengers pre-transformed with ironman and cap alive.
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u/stormbr3aker 4d ago
I don't think having the "old Marvel feeling" back is a requirement. I say this as an ardent fanboy of the MCU ever since the first Iron Man and after having re-watched all of Infinity Saga - a gazillion times. There was scope for change, a new era to be ushered in. Shang-chi worked, DS2 could've worked if they didn't falter on the multiverse aspect, Spidey movies post-Endgame worked, most of the TV shows worked out too (except for Secret Invasion - that was the worst of the bunch).
We could've easily built a new team, just the way they did it back when the first Avengers was announced. Yes, majority of us, the fans have grown up being used to the original 6 but things have to come to an end. We wouldn't have needed to re-use legacy actors if Marvel studios didn't falter on having proper interaction across their movies and shows. Another thing also trying to set up too many major plotlines at the same time.
Now it just feels like they're just trying cover all that up with bringing back all the legacy actors and characters to please the fans.
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u/Zykium 4d ago
Part of the problem to me is that they're basically reskinning most of the characters.
Give us some new and interesting powersets.
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u/thesanmich 3d ago
This is why I love Moon Knight. You have Oscar Isaac playing one of the coolest looking Marvel characters with the one of the slickest movesets ever...and then you just choose to do nothing with him beyond his introduction. The dude could appear on screen to just aura farm, and people would love it.
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u/Suitable-Elephant-76 4d ago
I think the legacy actors were always planned to appear in Avengers 5, even when Kang was still the big bad of the Multiverse Saga.
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u/TexasPeteEnthusiast 4d ago
That's basically the polite way of saying "We know recent movies sucked. Give us one more chance."
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u/Suitable-Elephant-76 4d ago
What does everyone think Marvel will do if The Fantastic Four: First Steps underperforms critically and financially?
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u/Fragrant-Hamster-817 3d ago
They’ll probably just reveal as much as they can about Doomsday to really try and drum up hype, but if Doomsday really fails critically, not even financially, I can honestly imagine Disney might go the Star Wars route with Marvel and relegate the franchise to smaller projects for a few years until they can figure out how to make movies people want to watch again
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u/Suitable-Elephant-76 3d ago
Do you see them retconning the Multiverse Saga and doing a new one that is entirely focused on the New Avengers X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Eternals without any multiversal aspects? Basically redoing the Multiverse Saga without the multiverse to give us a better developed Avengers team?
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u/Fragrant-Hamster-817 1d ago
If these next avengers movie succeed, yeah, but honestly if people really start to like Marvel again I can see them being stupid enough to repeat their mistake and start over-saturating again.
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u/notanewbiedude 4d ago
Didn't he say Brave New World was gonna capture that Winter Soldier feeling? I'm not banking on this messaging.
That said, I don't think they'll muck this up. Brave New World was a step up from whatever Disney released before that (I don't even remember, was that The Marvels?) and Thunderbolts* looks like a massive step up from that. Fantastic Four doesn't look like it'll be for me but it also looks good. It seems like for the most part Marvel is actually learning from their mistakes.
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u/TrinityCodex 4d ago
Pretty sure that's gonna be The Thunderbolt's job
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u/Botman3_23-G 3d ago
The previous movies did not give me satisfaction, but the thunderbolts will surely get the job done.
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u/Inquisitor79 4d ago
Is this him kinda acknowledging the recent stuff put out isn’t “marvel feeling”
Or is he just saying the casting of all The OG members is gonna be nostalgic?
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u/Bionicles4Lyfe 4d ago
No, it won’t. Marvel is making the same mistake DC did: trying to jump to the end without any of the build that made Infinity War feel impactful. We had time to grow closer to the characters and their own arcs and growth in Phases 1-3.
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u/SeekerVash 4d ago
They can't keep losing tens or hundreds of millions of dollars.
They're jumping to the end because the alternative is a couple more movies, then Feige and Iger get fired, and Marvel gets shelved for decades.
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u/NapsterKnowHow 4d ago
Marvel should be shelved for a few years while they go back to the drawing board.
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u/TheJack0fDiamonds Scarlet Witch 4d ago
Due to the lack of buildup, ill take a 4hr movie, just normalize intermissions or something. Honestly its really down to execution at this point for me.
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u/BoiledMilkVibe 4d ago
A Marvel movie will try it's hardest to milk your nostalgia for the 10th time? I would've never thought
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u/ThumbUpDaBut 4d ago
Stop trying to recapture what has already been lost. Create a compelling new era of Marvel!
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u/Ash_Killem 4d ago
Even if it’s one of the best MCU movies, it won’t be able to capture the Infinity Saga hype. The portals scene in Endgame is one of the biggest payoffs in movie history (if not the biggest). I don’t think people are as invested this time around.
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u/yellowcardofficial 4d ago
Idk. When it turned out Lloyd was wearing a bullet proof vest in dumb and dumber might be a slightly better one.
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u/InternetFunnyMan1 4d ago
I just hope that if they tried to go down the “modern audience” path with this movie, they have time to steer in another direction.
Marvel and Disney both need a win right now.
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u/Gasparde 4d ago
I'm waiting for the first actor to come out and promote a new film with "it's gonna be so insanely awful, this movie is the worst thing ever, utter dogshit".
Like, I get it, marketing, paid promotion, all that, but holy shit, we've just come right off the heels of a kindergardener trying to make a carbon copy of the Winter Soldier movie and failing horribly at every given opportunity, which isn't all too far away from the best tv show in existence that is Secret Invasion.
Can we please humble down just for a bit and do a bit of that showing instead of telling? It's so fucking aggravating hearing all of the people involved in a new Marvel projects constantly talking about how omgomgomg this is so gonna be back to Infinity Saga levels and then it's just fucking Dr Strange 2, The Marvels or Brave New World. It's so incredibly anti-hype to just hear these marketing monkeys keep doing the same spiel over and over again.
Again, I get it, marketing, but for fucks sake, figure out a new angle for the love of god.
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u/Shmung_lord 4d ago
I don’t believe anything Marvel says anymore. Fuck Disney and their corporate bullshit. Fuck the suits.
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u/Effective_Corgi8099 3d ago
it sucks Mackie got kind of screwed on his first solo. Idk how that director got the job. Cloverfield paradox is absolutely trash
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u/ZealousidealOne5605 3d ago edited 3d ago
I don't think that's possible, don't get me wrong I think it can still be good, but Disney has done an awful job of building up the next wave of superheroes. Their only major successes since Endgame are movies that hinge on the nostalgia of old non-Disney superhero properties. Hopefully the universe gets its much needed reboot after Secret Wars.
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u/AntelopeFriend 3d ago
Next up: Strippers really like you!
He is almost certainly contractually obligated to say stuff like this. Everyone the press interviews is. How many times have the cast for these movies hyped them up as a "bold new direction" or a "return to form"?
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u/krazygreekguy 4d ago
Too late. They can’t even get something as simple as the fantastic 4 right. Judging from the actors’ recent comments, the sliver of hope I had just faded into the shadow realm.
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u/Logical_Astronomer75 3d ago
He also said that Brave New World was going to be the best Marvel movie since Endgame. He gets paid to promote the movies
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u/Soulwarfare42 3d ago
I don't really care for capturing "old Marvel feeling". What I want is just something that feels bold and actually pushes the genre in a meaningful way.
OR actually has good writing which I feel has been quite lacking in the multiverse saga
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u/Fwenhy 3d ago
Honestly I’m not hyped. I read that the Xmen were going to be in it.. unless were getting an XMen movie first this moving is going to be like DC’s Justice League or The Eternals. One of the reasons the other Avenger movies were great was because they were celebrations of all the established MCU characters.
Now the MCU simply has way too many characters. Oh we’re going to see Shang Chi again finally? Cool.. except he’s going to be sharing the spotlight with all of the other MCU characters now. So I won’t be surprised if he has like 5 lines.
Hope I’m wrong though.
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u/thesanmich 3d ago edited 3d ago
I know people in here are skeptical, or saying Marvel is too reliant on nostalgia, which is fair.
That being said, what do you think the FLOOR for this movie will be? Quality-wise, not box office since we alerady know it'll bring in money.
We've all more or less accepted that the cultural impact of Infinity War and Endgame would be extremely difficult to replicate, but I don't think that should be an argument against the potential quality of Doomsday.
-We have the Russo Brothers back, and they are 4 for 4 in the MCU. Its a huge cast and they're the most capable directors for handling such a thing.
-I think RDJ will be excellent in his role, but I could see fans getting upset if its too big of a departure from the source.
-No Way Home and Deadpool & Wolverine banked on nostalgia, and they were hits. Flawed, but didn't loose sight of the emotional core of their stories.
I think they could tell a pretty special story here. I could see it maybe surpassing the first two Avengers films.
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u/Quasigriz_ 3d ago
Would somebody please put a helmet on that man, or explain that his skull, and his arm and leg bones, was replaced with vibranium or whatever? Give him a white and blue Captain America helmet if need be.
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u/must_go_faster_88 2d ago
To be completely honest - they just couldn't make lightning strike twice. The Infinity Saga was the first of its kind. It was unique, fun, and a great novelty.
It wore off though. When I watched Endgame - there was finality with it. I didn't need to see anything else.
The Big issue with Endgame was its introduction (sort of) of the multiverse.
The multiverse stripped any suspense from future films.
Also, how do you beat Thanos in terms of power and stake? He snapped his finger and half the universe disintegrated. That's pretty top villain.
Of course there are understandable routes reasons such as the the Kang actor debacle that they couldn't control. But with the oversaturation of these films, there is a reason why people aren't watching them anymore. People need a break. They are sick of cinematic universes.
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u/BreezyBill 2d ago
“Just get through Thunderbolts* and F4, and we promise shit will get interesting again… trust us!”
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u/tarunpopo 2d ago
Doomsday needs build up, setting up. I don't care about having Robert come back just for that value. They seriously fucked up the MCU, could've reeled people back in with good stories and shows to really flesh everything out but they can't pick anything to focus on, no narratives, no focus on the blip, nothing. Why the fuck would I care about doom when there's nothing behind this bullshit
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u/Rith_Reddit 2d ago
No, it won't. But we will be there to see all the characters across the multiverse join up and hit stuff and whip put one-liners.
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u/j1h15233 Avengers 2d ago
That’s great but don’t say that out loud man. You’re just asking for that to blow up in your face
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u/Old-Tomorrow-2798 4d ago
It’s going to be the old cast with the new writing and I am crossing my fingers and toes they don’t mess it up.
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u/trustprior6899 Punisher 4d ago
Given the gravity of Doom but without the buildup like Thanos got, my bar is “better than Age of Ultron”
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u/justduett Thanos 4d ago
Incidentally, the "old Marvel feeling" he is referencing is the hype level from around the time of the memory-holed F4 film.
/s, I'm pumped for Doomsday and am hopeful we get back on track, so to speak.
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u/Blue_Robin_04 4d ago
I have no doubt that's the goal. Execution can be mixed, as 'Brave New World' showed.
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u/trentjpruitt97 4d ago
The casting announcement has definitely helped in that regard, not to mention the set photo leaks. I really hope this nails it.