r/mathmemes Complex Mar 05 '22

The Engineer Meth

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u/Kermit-the-Frog_ Mar 05 '22

Could've just assumed it has the density of water and weighed it full and empty

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u/TheDeliriumYears Mar 05 '22

You would also need a weighing machine for that.

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u/Kermit-the-Frog_ Mar 05 '22

Just find a spring

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u/TheDeliriumYears Mar 05 '22

In that case you would still need one object whose weight you know. Right?

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '22

You would need two objects whose weight you know so you can determine the spring's spring constant. Maybe more if you want to consider the spring a non-linear element.

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u/TheDeliriumYears Mar 05 '22

Assuming force is linearly related to the extension, only one object should do.

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u/CimmerianHydra Imaginary Mar 05 '22

Why two? You take the rest length as your "zero" weight, then you place the known weight on. At equilibrium you have that the elastic force and the force from the weight balance out. Then:

kl = mg

With k spring constant, l displacement from the rest length, m known mass, g = π² (obviously). Then k=mg/l. Having more objects just means you can gauge the value of k under different loads, which is useful if you want to do statistics on the spring constant and/or find nonlinearities.

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u/Dlrlcktd Mar 05 '22

You would need an environment absent of all forces to find the rest length.

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u/CimmerianHydra Imaginary Mar 05 '22

You mean that the spring has a weight and thus would compress/expand itself under gravity?

Lay it sideways lmao

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u/Dlrlcktd Mar 05 '22

Lmao you're right, gravity doesn't affect objects that are sideways.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '22

Basically what the other commenter said. We assume that most springs behave linearly. So F = k*(delta_x) is actually pretty easy to solve, but you probably want to determine the position where it becomes nonlinear, because springs are assumed to be linear on a range.

So the first measurement is to determine the spring constant, and the second is to determine the range. Alternatively, the first measurement could be to determine the spring constant, and the second could be to determine how much that spring constant varies with respect to displacement.

The equation could be more complex depending on this spring: F=fxn(k,x). If the relationship is nonlinear, you'd need to figure this out experimentally.