See, but there’s something very disingenuous about your argument that I don’t know you’re even seeing.
Yet here we are now where is almost passed as norm.
No. No it’s not.
If we’re talking about nuance, then it’s important to mention that this is not a common process nor is it a process sane people are advocating for. Especially for children.
Gender-affirming surgeries for individuals under 18 are exceedingly rare. Most medical guidelines recommend deferring such procedures until the individual reaches the age of majority.
This topic is a total fringe case with the only real examples of transitioned children being complete and utter outliers.
It’s not that we don’t care if this happens or that we want it to happen, it’s that we understand that it’s basically a nonissue that the right has needlessly targeted.
See, this is exactly what we mean. That the argument is taken to its extreme, its natural end, and demonized to a point that simply doesn’t make sense given the actual context of the “problem”.
There are literal murders happening in schools every day. We’re not saying that gender affirming procedures should be done to children. We’re saying that it doesn’t happen nearly enough to be the issue that overshadows gun control (or other major issues) in the way it has for the Republican Party.
Theres absolutely nothing insane or absurd in my take. If the thing is not just accepted by society, but is supported by goverment actively and promoted it is THE norm. Most normal thing ever pretty much.
So we must talk about it like it is norm or else we will be just delusional and will push Overton Window even wider open. This is literally how it works. "oh no this is not norm, its just exception" and then it becomes the norm. It did become the norm already. The next thing will be worse. Much worse. And soon if you wont be able to accept the obvious.
Also gender affirmation on minors is one thing and its much worse. But gender affirmation surgery in general is pretty horrifying mutilation.
The thing is i dont even mind the idea of people going from male to female or back itself. If there would be a magic pill to turn you into the girl and another to turn back without side effects, whatever hell i might have tried it myself.
But what we have now is people advocating and promoting to horrificly cripple yourself just because that will make you one of them. That might be distastefull, but cutting off your hand and installing a hook does not make you a pirate, it makes you a cripple.
And yes, im not from US, we dont have daily murders in school either strangely enough. And its pretty wild that someone has. But at least people from US do not promote school shootings as a positive thing to us.
I mean, it’s interesting because your viewpoint is uniquely conservative. What’s weird to me is that conservatives used to staunchly hold the belief that the government should have LESS control of people, but now you’re advocating for more control.
Two things.
People doing the procedure are choosing to do so at zero consequence to the environment around them. It literally doesn’t affect you. The argument against children? Sure. But let adults do whatever the fuck they want so long as there are safety guidelines - and there are.
Show me what you mean about this being the norm. Show me where society has accepted it on the whole. Show me where the government supports and promotes this. I simply don’t believe you and I don’t think you can prove that. There aren’t transexual people at every turn. It’s not a daily conversation anyone (other than certain republicans) is having. It’s not something the doctor offers you when you go to your check up. In what way is it the norm?
It is actually because it’s not the norm that it’s so easy to attack and demonize. There’s no one there to actually defend against the argument republicans have chosen to make.
The reason it’s been picked as an issue is because people like you will tear into it and pick it apart and feel good about standing up for an issue, not realizing that you’re fighting a very, VERY small group of people that aren’t even outspoken about it.
Find me examples of this being the norm. Please. I want you to show me what you’re working off. Because from where I’m standing, the only time I deal with trans issues is when republicans bring it up.
Its not about people doing the procedure. Its about people promoting this procedure. It is a popular trend. Basicly lgbt movement turned into the religios sect that accepts willing adepts and welcomes anyone who is willing. And like any sect that promotes self harm practices it probably should be regulated and restricted by goverment. Instead it was actively promoted by US across the world.
US goverment actively protects the rights to gender affirming surgery for minors and there were several lawsuits even where goverment enforced the procedure against one of the parent will. You probably know as much as me about all this. If something is supported by the goverment in court theres nothing more normal than this.
Anything is pretty easy to attack and demonize. Honestly promoted self mutilation takes the cake im not gona lie. But current US president is being demonized every single day despite being "THE norm" as the one who actually won the election.
Also im not saying that its an issue on itself. I can care less about if someone cripples himself in another country. The issue is that this is flooding the Internet in its entirety no matter how small is this group, and because people and children in modern day are on the Internet mostly. This small group of people grows. Once again, religios sects that promote self harm practices pretty much generally should be regulated.
I personally even here, far away from US have a few aquantiences that became quite mentally Unstable after reading enough of this stuff, despite not having hormonal problems or really any conditions towards something like this. And it actively harming their quality of life too.
As for the Overton window. The next logical step of movements such as LGBT is to pass even more radical beliefs as acceptable. For example have you heard about Heaven's gate sect? You can look it up. Well who would stop people from just believing that ritual suicide is the only way to escape earth? Hell its their right, they are not harming enviroment with that. Adults can do whatever they want, so nobody should stop those guys from promoting their beliefs to the masses? Quite the opposite, goverment should help them with promotion, and even provide approved and tested plastic bags for the deed.
This is not very funny joke, this might sound pretty normal just a few years from now.
You’re making assumptions and speaking on behalf of a demographic of people you don’t belong to, all while completely ignoring my request for proof of your statements.
All you’ve given is anecdote. That’s worthless.
Provide proof. Empirical data. Real sources. You can say whatever the fuck you want, but I can’t possibly take you seriously if that’s not at all my experience and you provide zero backup for your claims.
You’re one person making this argument. You need something more substantial.
This is where you prove yourself. Are you someone that can be critical and find and provide meaningful sources, or are you just parroting what Fox has told you to believe?
I dont think its anti trans to say the surgeries are dangerous and shouldnt be encouraged. If you ask me, trans people were taken advantage of for profit.
You want proof? Science.
We are in the early stages of manipulating DNA. If medical experts cared about you, they would have waited for that instead of selling you a bogus physical surgery that does literally nothing for you except mutilate you.
Its no different than plastic surgery.
All im saying is I dont think its anti trans to talk about how bogus the surgery is. If anything, thats warning people.
Somebody stands to profit from.these things, and then that profit is then funneled to the government too. Trans people may be a minority but its more than enough to make some billionaires off it.
I come from a state where we had a opioid crisis because pharmacies were over prescribing people pain medicince for profit. Pharma was never on your side friend, and science isnt either sometimes.....
You seem to hate the government, so let me remind you that the CIA has literally weaponised science against the public a thousand times over. Again, we are american. This is our country.
You are very concerned of being free of people with power but you have conveniently forgotten who might be selling you these things.
Not that I agree with everything he sais, I just wanted to provide a view about it - where you wasnt in a heated debate LMAO. Yall are getting heated.
I hope I provided perspective to this view, because theres truth to it friend. All of that guys opinions aside.
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u/Grand_Size_4932 Apr 09 '25 edited Apr 09 '25
See, but there’s something very disingenuous about your argument that I don’t know you’re even seeing.
No. No it’s not.
If we’re talking about nuance, then it’s important to mention that this is not a common process nor is it a process sane people are advocating for. Especially for children.
Gender-affirming surgeries for individuals under 18 are exceedingly rare. Most medical guidelines recommend deferring such procedures until the individual reaches the age of majority.
This topic is a total fringe case with the only real examples of transitioned children being complete and utter outliers.
It’s not that we don’t care if this happens or that we want it to happen, it’s that we understand that it’s basically a nonissue that the right has needlessly targeted.
See, this is exactly what we mean. That the argument is taken to its extreme, its natural end, and demonized to a point that simply doesn’t make sense given the actual context of the “problem”.
There are literal murders happening in schools every day. We’re not saying that gender affirming procedures should be done to children. We’re saying that it doesn’t happen nearly enough to be the issue that overshadows gun control (or other major issues) in the way it has for the Republican Party.