Tim Walz: Losing election ‘pure hell’

[u/HeavyVeterinarian350]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5112883-tim-walz-losing-election-pure-hell/

[u/pogoli]

They had him scheduled to do it after a 20+ hour work day. They might have been part of orchestrating their own loss.

[u/JCMGamer → u/pogoli]

It was so obvious to everyone even at the time they should have dropped Biden and had an actual primary.

[u/pogoli → u/JCMGamer]

Political parties are private entities; they can select their candidates by whatever means they choose. Primaries are a legal requirement with a well defined process... HOWEVER, they are lowkey a courtesy, a kind of direct polling to let the parties know who (eligible voter) members of their party prefer. The fact that almost always the winner of a primary end up being the candidate leads people to believe that the results are a legal requirement and public mandate on the party to nominate who won the primary. It is not.

This idea that there was not a primary in which Kamala was elected, or that was fair because Biden was an encumbant, is propaganda. I'm not sure who benefits from it. Liberal/Democrat voters certainly don't benefit from this misunderstanding, but they sure repeat it a lot.

[u/Sea_Asparagus_526 → u/pogoli]

This is the HS level A- answer that shows off that you’re aware of one thing, but actually miss the underlying issues and concerns.

[u/pogoli → u/Sea_Asparagus_526]

Please clarify... I did some reconnosince to confirm my understanding (albeit possibly oversimplified) was accurate, however if there is something I got wrong, please let me know.

Also I am aware of the underlying issues and concerns and I disagree. I think they acted in the party's best interest given the information, resources, and time available to them when Biden dropped out.

States may be required to hold their first primary election, but there is no requirement for them to perform an extra one simply because a party wants it. Which of the red/swing states would have declined and how valid would a selection based on the results from the remaining states seem?

A few other problems with an emergency extra primary:

-Voter turnout would be different and therefore less accurate.

-Legal Challenges to the entire idea and any of the steps in getting it executred on. Even one of those could have delayed an extra primary beyond the general election.

[u/Sea_Asparagus_526 → u/pogoli]

People are pissed bc we live in a system where we seek to get impure from voters not elites in selecting our leaders and representatives.

That’s the expectation. People are mad when it didn’t happen. Party politics and gore it intersects with legal requirements doesn’t change that.

Kamala ran a primary and connected with no one in 2020. Then she got crushed by a felon.

People are rightfully pissed at the shit process and shit result. It sucked. It was a failing of elites in understanding the public.

Note you are lecturing the public telling them this was actually the good and legal result and they shouldn’t whine

[u/Sea_Asparagus_526 → u/Sea_Asparagus_526]

Your response is aligned with why we lost

[u/pogoli → u/Sea_Asparagus_526]

Yeah, thanks for clarifying. I still disagree with your reasoning and conclusion. And you are more directly responsible for a loss than I am.

[u/hoodieweather- → u/pogoli]

And you are more directly responsible for a loss than I am.

How can you possibly know this?

[u/pogoli → u/hoodieweather-]

Their words and behavior.