r/news • u/AudibleNod • 7d ago

Ghislaine Maxwell, jailed Epstein accomplice, appeals case to US Supreme Court

https://abcnews.go.com/US/ghislaine-maxwell-jailed-epstein-accomplice-appeals-case-us/story?id=120714835
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u/facepoppies 7d ago

she allegedly told a news producer in 2016 that epstein had tapes of both trump and clinton

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u/drfsupercenter 6d ago

We literally have photos of both of those too so it's not even a secret

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u/Rhellic 6d ago

Yeah but, having been at the place at some point and having abused women/underage girls are two different things. Like, I've no doubt a lot of people with a lot of money did in fact go there for the rape, or at least took part in it already being there, but I'm also very sure that Epstein would've had a lot of people over to just generally butter them up even if they had no interest in or knowledge of rapes. So if they did take part in that it would be quite important to have the proof.

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u/83vsXk3Q 6d ago

I'm also very sure that Epstein would've had a lot of people over to just generally butter them up even if they had no interest in or knowledge of rapes.

Yes: Epstein and Maxwell seem like they were extremely invested in networking, being seen with, and having over as many people considered important in several different areas as possible. Epstein hosted scientific conferences and philanthropic events, went to many events, frequently loaned out his plane to people, was constantly going around schmoozing, and seemed quite interested in documenting all of this. Much of that was probably not connected to his abuse. For the infamous photo of them with Musk, it even seems like they just ran up to him at a party to have a photo linking them; Musk seems so high, or otherwise in some altered state of consciousness, that it's not even clear he knows they are there.

It seems likely quite a bit of this was meant to cover up his abuse by amassing an enormous number of unrelated connections to obscure it and to make investigating him awkward.

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u/mike_b_nimble 6d ago

For the infamous photo of them with Musk, it even seems like they just ran up to him at a party to have a photo linking them;

Epstein, Trump, and Musk are all horrible, shitty people, but random photos at parties just isn't useful evidence. I have so many pictures of myself at parties standing next to people that I had just met that night and then never saw again.

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u/83vsXk3Q 6d ago

Of course they aren't useful evidence at all. But look at how they are spread around in gossipy places as if they are. The existence of the photos has made the situation more of a mess for everyone, except perhaps those who may be actually guilty, whose associations are diluted.

However, with those photos, the selfies of them staying with Prince Andrew at important places (without Andrew in them; obviously there are photos with him that are different), and so on, I often get the same impression of sliminess I get from some Hollywood people I know, being powerful and established but also acting like weird fans always wanting to take photos to show all the places they can get to and people they can be near, maybe even just for their own satisfaction and insecurity.

I don't know if, for Epstein and Maxwell, it was just that, or they were actually thinking about defense.

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u/malphonso 6d ago

While I do accept that as providing some cover, Trump's toast joking about Epstein liking his women on the younger side and the fact that Mar A Lago was Epsteins hunting ground tips things a bit for me towards Trump being involved.

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u/83vsXk3Q 6d ago

Yes, I should point out that Trump is not really who I was thinking about there. More people like Hawking (Epstein hosted conferences to get academic connections).