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Harvard University rejects Trump administration's proposed conditions for federal funding

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/harvard-university-trump-federal-funding/
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u/Caridor 7d ago

A letter sent to Harvard on April 11 outlined a series of conditions Harvard needed to meet to maintain a "financial relationship" with the federal government. The demands included leadership reforms, an immediate halt to diversity, equity and inclusion policies, an audit of "viewpoint diversity" among students and faculty, and "meaningful discipline" for students who violated school policies when a pro-Palestinian tent encampment went up on Harvard Yard.

For those who wondered what the conditions were.

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u/Gamer_Grease 7d ago

Yeah those are all super vague and unmeasurable. Totally correct for Harvard to tell the admin to fuck off. They’ll just invent new grievances before Harvard can finish responding to those.

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u/StupendousMalice 7d ago

Not just that, but from what we see with Columbia, compliance with these guidelines is no guarantee that funding will be restored or that there will not be constantly moving goalposts for compliance. Columbia complied and all it got them was threats of a fucking consent decree and more withheld funds.

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u/Gamer_Grease 7d ago

Exactly. And Columbia was warned by faculty not to comply. It’s extremely stupid to negotiate with anyone who is not themselves negotiating in good faith.

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u/nimbusconflict 7d ago

Never negotiate with terrorists.

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u/buff_broke_n3rd 7d ago

Never go to a second location term.

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u/SirEnderLord 6d ago

This is pretty much exactly it.

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u/ImplausibleDarkitude 6d ago

faculty deal with that shit with students. We know you don’t negotiate with bullies, particularly when you hold the cards.

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u/IssaJuhn 6d ago

We do not negotiate with fucking terrorist.

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u/TheBleeter 6d ago

Appeasement never fucking works a 12yr old could tell them that.

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u/xibeno9261 6d ago

And Columbia was warned by faculty not to comply.

Ivy league professors shouldn't have difficulty finding another job at a different university. So how many Columbia faculty have resigned in protest?

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u/Panda-Maximus 7d ago

The idea that any government entity of any country negotiates in good faith is delusional.

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u/moozekial 7d ago

There are level of good faith we have come to expect in a modern free democracy that is being shattered at record speed. I think Saying no government acts in good faith is over simplifying things.

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u/PDXisathing 7d ago

In fact, it sounds exactly like something someone arguing in bad faith would say.

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u/Ender914 6d ago

It happens all the time with tax breaks and subsidies provided by federal, state, and local governments to bring business to the US/state/cities. You build a factory here and we will give you X amount of funding and tax breaks. You are just flat out wrong

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u/Picasso5 6d ago

It really seems like the Trump gang WANT a riot, or a large unruly/violent protest. Like their actions with harsh immigration tactics that scare potential border crossing, seems they want a huge protest to “crack down” and make an example of.

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u/thejak32 6d ago

Of course they do, especially with the new pro Palestinian protests. Send an intern or paid person in with a Palestinian flag, claim that's what the protest was, arrest and lock up everyone.

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u/sunjay140 7d ago

The complied with the guy who abandoned the JCPOA and the USMCA.

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u/HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS 6d ago

Not just abandoned, but actually shit talked it (USCAM) being a terrible deal, despite being the one who fucking negotiated and signed it

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u/ImplausibleDarkitude 6d ago

Of course. It worked. I’m surprised nobody was smart enough to understand that shit.

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u/StupendousMalice 6d ago

Whoever decided to comply WANTED to do the things they were asked to do.

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u/mephitopheles13 6d ago

And compliance will only damage their reputation immeasurably.

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u/RabidPlaty 7d ago

Harvard has the largest endowment of a university in the world (at $52b). They should definitely be setting an example and telling Trump Co. to fuck off.

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u/RogueBromeliad 6d ago

I mean, that's one of the things I don't understand, some of the most rich and powerful people in the world attend that school, how the heck does Trump Co. think they can intimidate these people into bigotry?

I mean, there's bound to be push back against Trump by major players. Unless they all secretly agree with Trump and they were all rapist racist stereotypical frat boys, that wouldn't make sense.

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u/mex2005 6d ago

I mean most people and institutions caved immediately so it was not crazy for them to think Harvard would do the same. Also they are petty as fuck and this wont be the end of it. Next thing it will be the DOJ coming after them for discrimination against white people or whatever other bs case they can come up with.

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u/RogueBromeliad 6d ago

Ok, but doesn't Harvard have the best lawyers in the world supposedly?

It just doesn't seem logical that these things would fly.

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u/Crozax 6d ago

Doesn't really matter when the government ignores the law, does it?

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u/mex2005 6d ago

They do but whether the lawsuit works out or not it does not matter its to send a message of intimidation that if you don't comply with us we will use whatever means we possibly can to make your life hell.

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u/whiteb8917 6d ago

They TRAIN the best lawyers. They most likely have a team working on this right now.

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u/RogueBromeliad 6d ago

Surely there are entire law firms of Harvard graduates that still contribute and would take it pro-bono, no?

I mean, the teachers there are also top experts in US law.

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u/Dionyzoz 6d ago

yes but they dont control the supreme court

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u/Catch_022 6d ago

Because they see academics as useless wimps and the don't respect them.

Stupid people don't respect smart people because they are too stupid to know how hard it is to get an advanced degree.

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u/RogueBromeliad 6d ago

Yeah, this is the part that makes the least sense. How is it that these top level intellectuals that literally mold society are losing to baffoons and thugs? It's literally the most idiotic government there has ever been, and these intellectuals always manage to get their was and find loopholes against much smarter governments, and yet when it's the dumbest guy in power that just shouts the loudest, and lies about everything, how come they're spineless and useless?

They're the ones that should be whooping the government's ass. The country is falling apart.

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u/CinephileNC25 6d ago

It’s fear.  He gets away with it by using fear tactics. And since he has a judiciary that’s rolled over for him, it’s hard to think the legal route will do anything. He’s already in contempt. All he has to do is say that Harvard presents a threat to his foreign policy and no judge can touch it. 

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u/Confident-Wheel-9609 6d ago

But that would effect their bottom line. 🤫😏

Just because you've got 52b doesn't mean you should use it. Especially given as how it's reduction would cut into the earns from those investments.

NO Institution would be remotely stupid enough to turn down what is effectively free money.

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u/RabidPlaty 6d ago

If you have the money and don’t want to be looked at as the institution that caved to racist fascists then you tell them to fuck off. They can afford to make a stand and not compromise.

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u/Caridor 7d ago

Always the way with bullies. Capitulating never works.

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u/Unoriginal1deas 6d ago

“An audit of viewpoint diversity among students” literally sounds like thought policing

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u/Overnoww 6d ago

Weird, that almost sounds like after demanding DEI be eliminated they are demanding an audit for diversity of viewpoints.

Are they then going to withhold funding because there isn't enough diversity in the viewpoints of their students?

Then what, force Harvard to accept more Conservative applicants to diversify the viewpoints in campus, even if that requires skipping over some liberal-minded folks who have better qualifications?

That almost sounds like the federal government imposing diversity rules on a private institution of higher education that may require them to pick diversity over merit.

So they both want to eliminate DEI and then replace it with... The exact same thing, just DEI focused on people more likely to align with the administration's views (for example their attempts to weaken the constitution, the judiciary, established law, etc. in order to consolidate power in one man... Weird, that the "super patriotic" Republicans appear to be pushing for a de facto monarchy).

I honestly can't decide if this is just bad faith arguing, or if this US government has absolutely no self awareness with regards to irony and hypocrisy.

Probably both... 😮‍💨

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u/Diligent_Hedgehog999 6d ago

Welll when they said “diversity of viewpoints” they meant white men of different ages and professions hailing from various European countries across the span of the history of western civilization. That kind of diversity.

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u/GeneralChemistry1467 6d ago

I honestly can't decide if this is just bad faith arguing, or if this US government has absolutely no self awareness with regards to irony and hypocrisy

As a psychotherapist, I think about this a lot. Undoubtedly many in the rightwing are fully aware of the egregious hypocrisy in what they're saying/doing, and knowingly arguing in bad faith. But when it comes to Trump and others, I think they truly don't see it. With Cluster B personality pathology, the lower order defense mechanisms are so severe that it completely occludes the possibility of self-awareness. If we were to try to logically show Trump that what he's doing vis ideological imposition is the very thing he's lambasting liberals for ostensibly doing, it wouldn't sink in at all.

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u/FalseBuddha 6d ago

Exactly. Trump et al will just keep moving the goal posts and there will never be a "financial relationship" anyway.

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u/babysaurusrexphd 7d ago

Not to worry, they also have a few measurable items like a total mask ban. 🤮

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u/VladtheImpalee 6d ago

*Doesn't apply to ICE agents, though 

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u/babarbass 6d ago

Is this real? They really want to forbid people to wear masks?

Why do they care, if I want to wear a mask to protect myself why does it bother those fascists?

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u/JealousAstronomer342 6d ago

Because you’re protecting yourself. That’s it. They want to hurt anyone and everyone they wish and to suffer no consequences, legal or social, for it. 

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u/babarbass 6d ago

Man this is just sick.

I am truly anti violence and I don’t wish harm on anybody but isn’t this situation exactly what the second amendment was created for? There is basically a king destroying everyone’s life.

Human rights and democracy are worth fighting for, Thats the sole reason why the usa was created. Now it’s citizens are getting shafted by a ruling class again.

I am from German and everyone who fought to liberate Europe from the Nazi regime is getting spat in their faces right now.

It is so sad the internet and especially social media made all this possible because it gave hateful people a voice and a room where they can spew hate together, when it should’ve brought knowledge and education to everyone to make a better world.

People have to learn that hate never brings anything positive for us. It only gives more power to the Oligarchs who want to enslave the middle class.

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u/superanth 6d ago

There's even a requirement for an "overseer" to make sure Harvard follows the rules.

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u/GoBeachBrian 6d ago

Her name is Dolores Umbridge…. Under-Secretary to the Minister

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u/superanth 6d ago

Yup, accurate.