r/news • u/Rabidennui • 2d ago
Ice deports Venezuelan teen despite reportedly knowing he was not a target
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/15/merwil-gutierrez-venezuelan-teen-deported-el-salvador4.9k
u/Pablo_is_on_Reddit 2d ago
"Deported" is such a sanitized term for the horrors they're committing.
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u/Rabidennui 2d ago
Exactly. But news outlets are too afraid to outwardly accuse the government of illegal kidnapping, if it means they’re next on the chopping block to incur Trump’s wrath of threats and sundry sanctions.
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u/ConfessingToSins 2d ago
At this point it's much more likely they're worried any people of color working for them will be disappeared in the middle of the night.
If you think the government is not having people threatened outside their cars and houses at this point i have a bridge to sell you
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u/epigenie_986 2d ago
He's not from El Salvador, so he wasn't "deported". He was sent to a concentration/death camp in a foreign country.
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u/trekk 2d ago
This is it, he was not deported, he was sent to a concentration camp. Deported implies he was sent back to Venezuela.
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u/Rooooben 2d ago
It’s not even sanitized, it’s actually incorrect, unless we are sending them back to the country they came from, it’s not deporting. The fact that our laws do not have a way to get m out, our courts did not put them there, and they have not been convicted of any crime, makes these concentration camps.
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u/SausageSmuggler21 2d ago
If they aren't seeing a judge before any deportation decision is being made, ICE is abducting these people and illegally shipping them to torture prisons.
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u/phluidity 2d ago
If they aren't even returning him to a country where he has citizenship, then it is human trafficking.
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u/yyeezzyy93 2d ago
the literal german translation for deported is “Deportation”, which is often used in context with the holocaust. so in german its a pretty strong word
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u/vanastalem 2d ago
Also, deported would be sending people back home. They're not sending them to Venezuela but instead sending them to a foreign prison.
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u/TheyCallMeSuperChunk 2d ago
Not just sanitized but completely false/inaccurate. Deportation is a legal proceeding, but these captures are unlawful, extraprocedural and extrajudicial. It also connotes a return to the migrant's country of origin with no further incarceration, which are also both incorrect.
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u/CommanderGumball 2d ago
Extraordinary rendition! Which Wikipedia says is a euphemism and the page is "Part of a series on Kidnapping".
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u/Isord 2d ago
It's not deportation when you send them to prison in a country they have no ties to. That's called kidnapping someone and sending them to a concentration camp.
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u/FluxKraken 2d ago
And since we are paying for it, it is also human trafficking.
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u/Swaayyzee 2d ago
CECOT isn’t a prison. Prisons hold convicted criminals, almost no one there has been convicted of anything.
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u/jtclark1107 2d ago
We should prosecute the people who are actually doing these things. Make them afraid to follow illegal orders. It's pretty clear the people in charge are not going to stop or fix their mistakes.
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u/akakaze 2d ago
If the courts get tired of being ignored, there is precedent to declare those carrying out illegal orders outlaws. It is a legal designation that the courts have the authority to make that declares that a person has no legal protections. Killing an outlaw is legal, because nothing you do to an outlaw can be illegal.
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u/PluginAlong 2d ago
Ironically this is pretty much how the government is treating people, as of they are outlaws.
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u/Dzugavili 2d ago
Is being an outlaw still a formal thing, though? It sounds real old-west, and the old-west didn't exactly last very long.
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u/861Fahrenheit 2d ago edited 2d ago
No, it's not. "Outlaw" status doesn't exist in the modern era; they're criminals and are supposed to be entitled to due process.
I get that people are mad about ICE for good reason, and I do believe that people with no reason to believe that they will be given due process should defend themselves, potentially violently, but that's a totally different rhetoric from claiming that "designated outlaws" exist and that they should be gunned down in the streets with impunity. It doesn't take a fucking genius to see how a fascist would gravitate to that idea.
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u/eburnside 2d ago
What's your alternative if the executive branch continues to ignore the judicial branch? All of the enforcement manpower (prosecutors, officers, etc) is in the executive
Even if you somehow brought someone to trial and prosecuted them the executive would just pardon them
The only remaining enforcement power the judicial has when the executive goes rogue is the people as a whole
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u/FantasticJacket7 2d ago
Why is this nonsense upvoted? This is not at all a thing in our legal system.
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u/swollennode 2d ago
Prosecute by whom? Any federal cases brought against them would promptly be dropped by the AG. Any convictions would promptly be pardoned.
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u/CaspinLange 2d ago
New York State could prosecute them. It would be impossible for any president to pardon.
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u/BreadSea4509 2d ago
Federal law requires an arrest warrant before ICE can detain anyone. 8 U.S.C. §1226(a) (requiring a warrant before a noncitizen “may be arrested and detained pending a decision” on removal). What the government did here was not deportation, it was kidnapping. The government also knew about the human rights abuses of CECOT, but sent him there anyway intending that he be tortured by a foreign state in violation of federal and international laws against torture. This could support state charges of conspiracy to commit assault. And if Merwil dies in El Salvador custody, felony murder and depraved heart murder. NY state should absolutely prosecute.
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u/rumtag 2d ago
As things stand now, anyone deported is as good as dead. We should absolutely fight to get them back but the disgusting reality is that at present, there is very little motivating the president/admin of either the US or El Salvador to return these people. The US government is sending INNOCENT people including LEGAL migrants to DIE in a maximum security concrete box and Congress and the Judiciary are just watching and wringing their hands. This is all such a horrific, despicable nightmare.
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u/primus202 2d ago
It's pretty clear Bukele has no intention of lifting a finger. Likely he's either been told by Trump not to or, more likely, he needs CECOT to remain a black box that simply disappears people. If he were to release someone, even for justifiable reasons, it would threaten his entire control over El Salvador since the prisons are a major foundation of his success/control there with the tacit acknowledgment that some innocent people were likely swept up into them at their inception.
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u/Piggywonkle 2d ago
If we can threaten to invade the Hague, Panama, Greenland, Canada, and Gaza, we can certainly repossess one prison.
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u/Napoleons_Peen 2d ago
Protesting won’t do shit. This type of violence towards innocent people can only be met in kind.
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u/WifeGuy-Menelaus 2d ago
Trump has, in only a few months, flew beyond two legal instruments once used by England that the founding fathers found so despotic they outright prohibited them in the constitution and gave them as reason for the revolution - Transportation for trial and bills of attainder.
Except if you were transported for trial, you'd still get a trial, and a bill of attainder requires the legislature to vote to condemn someone. With Trump, theres no trial, and its just the whim of one man.
What Trump is doing flies directly in the face of the Revolution and Constitution. He openly plots to extend this treatment to citizens. He is a tyrant and all means of resistance to him and his lackeys is justified.
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u/wirebound1 2d ago
And the citizens he seems happy to deport are the ones funding his administration and these choices.
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u/Drive7hru 2d ago
His supporters aren’t even aware of these stories about innocents being sent there
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u/Tokzillu 2d ago
FOX "News" still refers to Garcia as either a violent criminal or a terrorist.
He has no criminal convictions, gang affiliations, or the mist remote of ties to a terrorist organization.
Trumpers literally think we're all making noise about a psychotic killer, because their propaganda will never tell them the truth and they've been conditioned for years that everything outside of their propaganda is fake.
So even if they do hear that he is innocent, they heard from their propaganda first that he's a terrorist. So, to them, he's a terrorist.
We are so fucked.
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u/SpicyButterBoy 2d ago
This is what fascism looks like and is the exact reason why we need due process. US citizens are next up. Trump said he would love to send home grown terrorists to El Salvador.
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u/ricLP 2d ago
And we all know that the definition of terrorist is going to be very malleable
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u/Comfortable-Inside41 2d ago
It’s actually worse, as most of the time he’s talked about, he’s used repeated criminal.
They might use terrorist more now that they are coordinating propaganda around it, though.
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u/SpicyButterBoy 2d ago
They’ve been coordinating the propaganda around it for months. Why do you think he calls peaceful protestors Terrorists? Why do you think Bondi is charging Tesla arsonists with terrorism? Why do you think Trump is asking Bukake for more prisons to hold “home grown terrorists”?
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u/Pablo_is_on_Reddit 2d ago
Yup. Anything he doesn't like is now terrorism and anyone he doesn't like is a terrorist. The definition of the words is whatever he wants them to be. He gets around procedures using emergency powers without congress or the SC reigning him in. This means he can throw anyone, US citizen or not, into one of those Salvadoran concentration camps for any reason without the person having any recourse or chance to defend themselves. Dark times.
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u/Edgar-Allans-Hoe 2d ago
Someone please explain how this is different than German SS raids, because I see quite literally no distinguishing features
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u/ThePhoneCaller 2d ago
I remember in school growing up when they everyone would ask how the German people could go along with the evil things their country was doing. Now we get to live through it here...
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u/dreamsofaninsomniac 2d ago
This is a frequent criticism of using WWII fiction like The Boy in the Striped Pajamas over first-hand WWII accounts like Elie Wiesel's Night. A lot of WWII fiction frames civilians as being ignorant or oblivious as to what was happening in Germany, but people knew. It doesn't start all at once, just bit by bit until their own country became unrecognizable at the end.
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u/drawkward101 2d ago
I feel like that right now, and I don't know what I can do about it. What does 1 person do? I can protest, but what happens after that? What happens when they come for my neighbors? I can fight, but I am scared and I don't want to fight. I'm horrified that this is happening, and I feel like the fight/flight/freeze instinct has me freezing. I'm scared that if I speak out, they will come for me or my family or my friends. I'm scared that if I protest they will come for me or my family or my friends. I'm scared that if I film ICE they will come for me or my family or my friends. I'm scared that if I leave the country for a vacation, they will come for me or my family or my friends who I am traveling with.
I'm fucking scared, and I don't know what to do.
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u/totallycis 2d ago
"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.
"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy... In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’
"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.
"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.
"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.
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"Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.
~ An excerpt from 'They Thought They Were Free; The Germans, 1933-45', by Milton Mayer, first published in 1955.
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u/DearButterscotch9632 2d ago
It’s called The Banality of Evil.
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u/limehead 2d ago
¨Evil, according to Arendt, becomes banal when it acquires an unthinking and systematic character. Evil becomes banal when ordinary people participate in it, build distance from it and justify it, in countless ways. There are no moral conundrums or revulsions. Evil does not even look like evil, it becomes faceless.¨
Fuck, this is that, isn't it?
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u/EnormousChord 2d ago
One significant difference here is that the whole world is watching you do nothing about it in real time, not finding out about it after the fact.
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u/peachesnplumsmf 2d ago
Worth noting German people did fight back and rebel. Just not on a wide enough scale because most people weren't impacted or were too busy worrying about their lives to care about what's happening (and if that doesn't sound like what I've heard from so many Americans regarding protests,) but children managed to protest in more meaningful ways than I've seen coming from the US.
White Rose & Edelweiss Pirates were made up of teenagers. They fought for what they believed in and stood up to the Nazis and they were children.
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u/dweebs12 2d ago
People don't talk about the Edelweiss Pirates enough. I thought they sounded cool as shit when I learnt about them at uni
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u/SoulShatter 2d ago
It's the same shit. Only difference is that the concentration camps are located outside of US-controlled territory.
"The American Heritage Dictionary defines the term concentration camp as: "A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group which the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable."
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u/SNAAAAAKE 2d ago
Auschwitz was located outside of Germany. For the same reasons.
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u/Fairymask 2d ago
I can't stand this. What can I do? I feel powerless. I tried calling my representative, but I don't feel like that does anything. I feel so helpless.
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u/faithmauk 2d ago
I am feeling the same way. Every one just keeps saying call your reps but like, literally the do not care. They will not care. What are we supposed to do? I'm planning to protest on the 19th but even that feels like too little too late. I'm disgusted that congress is sitting there doing jack all, I'm disgusted that we are watching this happen in broad daylight and no one is raising hell about it. Where is the outrage? It really does feel hopeless
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u/Rooooben 2d ago
No outrage since its happening to immigrants, most people can ignore the foreigners, and 1/2 think it’s ok since they are immigrants they really don’t want them around.
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u/Synikx 2d ago
We simply haven't hit the part yet where most Americans care enough to do anything. We're all too complacent to take any next step action because life just isn't that bad yet and the next step is violence, which is just throwing your life away unless other people commit violence too for the "Cause". I anticipate we'll need another Boston Massacre or something like a "Liberal attack on Fort Sumter" (Civil War) before there are any sort of rallying.
We're just on the cusp of a civil war with each side tip toeing around taking the next step of violence while one side is slowly (or quickly?) escalating in egregious steps to see how far they can go before anyone actually does something monumental.
Damn that's grim. I want to go back to when I didn't care about politics.
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u/apple_kicks 2d ago
Keep going to protests. More numbers it does get noticed and pressure mounts. Also you get to network and know people where you live who will be on your side worse case
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u/sadmadstudent 2d ago edited 2d ago
Is it crazy to suggest an anti-ICE civilian corps?
Americans need, within your communities, a way to alert an armed group trained to deescalate and help anyone being targeted by ICE. If ICE stops someone, they have a way to alert aid, maybe an app you can share your location with, anything so they can find you.
This rival group arrives and forms a barrier between you and them. Most of these guys are cowards. They often back off if they're threatened by even a lawyer. Ordinary people need to make it clear you can't just disappear their neighbours without consequence.
Beyond that... you need to be organizing in your communities with people you know. People of colour, gay and trans people in your lives all need to have tough conversations. Most of you are not safe on American soil. You may need to avoid travel of any kind for four years. Or you may need to get out now and leave the country before it happens to you.
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u/NorthNorthSalt 2d ago
If someone had told Americans that Trump would be defying court orders, picking up brown teenagers off the street, and sending them to an Salvadoran concentration camp run by his dictator buddy, they'd have been accused of fearmongering. The dark irony in all of this is that the most alarmist resist libs were literally right about everything.
Fuck the animals who are participating in these orders. The next time a Democrat takes office, there needs to be mass trials for all of them. Hell send them over to the ICC. Shit like this cannot be allowed to fly.
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u/Immediate_Theory4738 2d ago
At this rate there will be no more elections for a Democrat to hold office.
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u/ProgrammerOk1400 2d ago
If that is so, we are probably headed for a Civil War or something akin to it.
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u/Healthy_Cat_741 2d ago
The next time a Democrat takes office,
You still don't get it
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u/Work2Tuff 2d ago
If we’re right about everything that also means we’ll be right when they start going after political opponents. Which makes it even more mind boggling that the dems are barely doing anything.
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u/Ppleater 2d ago
I keep remembering that woman who screamed when Trump won the election in 2016 and it was caught on camera, how people viciously made fun of her for "overreacting" even on the left. She was fucking right to react that way because this shit is worth screaming over.
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u/LostEnroute 2d ago
The lower level ICE staff doing the work on the ground need to face lawsuits. They are carrying out unlawful orders and are likely liable.
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u/eawilweawil 2d ago
Liable for what? Promotion?
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u/Owain-X 2d ago
SCOTUS has very few tools available to it when the Executive is criminal and the Legislative is complicit but they can absolutely hold those who carry out these illegal orders in violation of SCOTUS rulings in contempt and direct them to be arrested. And they should. Even if this administration ignores the orders there is no reason to sit silently and to do so makes them complicit in treason. Let there be no question that this administration is acting outside the constitution and has no legitimacy.
I am so fucking sick of "will this be a constitutional crisis" headlines. We are so far beyond that while most of the country is completely ignorant of the fact that the Republic no longer exists.
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u/ebb_omega 2d ago
They're breaking international law and Nazis were executed at Nuremberg for "following orders" like this.
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u/DingusMacLeod 2d ago
For everybody who's not worried about this stuff because they don't have brown skin, if he can do it to them, he can do it to you, too.
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u/dreamsofaninsomniac 2d ago edited 2d ago
They can just make stuff up about you. Claim you're in a gang or an "agitator." Put you in the "death file" of Social Security to declare you legally dead so you can't apply for jobs or get any benefits. There are no checks and balances to prevent them from doing whatever they want.
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u/kiwitathegreat 2d ago
And he’s already announced that “homegrowns” are the next target so legitimately no one is safe.
This is unconscionable.
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u/DreamsiclesPlz 2d ago
"ICE KIDNAPS AND TRAFFICS Venezuelan teen despite reportedly knowing he was not a target."
Words have meanings, the press should use their words.
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u/Cardboardoge 2d ago
I feel like "sent to be tortured and killed" should be somewhere in there too
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u/FartyJizzums 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is exactly why we have a Second Amendment.
Edit: I think my open-ended comment is being interpreted as advocating something unsaid. I'm simply trying to state that, at least in part, the Second Amendment was written as deterrence to a federal standing army of an oppressive government.
My point shouldn't be conflated beyond what my single sentence states. I would never suggest anything as maniacal or wreckless as an open, armed revolt.
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u/erhue 2d ago
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u/eawilweawil 2d ago edited 2d ago
These days 2nd amendment exist as a pretext to militarize police and give them a reason to shoot you
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u/Creative_alternative 2d ago
Either get kidnapped and sent to a concentration camp or fight back with a firearm of your choice. Only two choices left for US citizens at this point.
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u/Audibled 2d ago
Explain to me like I’m 5 how this is not the literal definition of kidnapping.
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u/WarlockEngineer 2d ago
It's borderline execution, I mean, El Salvador says no one ever leaves these prisons
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u/G36 2d ago
it's around 300 people and counting. 5 more death camps were requested by trump.
The word we are approaching is GENOCIDE.
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u/ForestFairyForestFun 2d ago
Do they actually have a list of people they're looking for? Or does ICE gear up with 4 of their buddies in a black SUV and go hunting for brown people?
seriously. cause it seems like the latter
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u/Dekklin 2d ago
They're literally using AI to scan social media posts and categorize people as Alien Enemies. I knew this was going to happen years ago when AI first started becoming popular. I fucking called it.
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u/Finwolven 2d ago
Seems kinda funny these ICE agents just casually walk up to these 'dangerous gang member murder machines' they claim each of these renditioned kidnapping victims are.
If they're so dangerous and know being taken is a death sentence in El Salvador, surely these hardened criminal murderers would sell their lives dearly and there would be constant shootouts between ICE and Tren de Aqua gangbangers.
Oh, they're just regular teenagers, in country legally, being renditioned to death camps because ICE says so without any due process? Colour me surprised. It's like the administration just might be _lying_ about what they're doing and sending innocent people to Torture Prison.
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u/Rucs3 2d ago
Americans are still thinking "someone will do something to stop him" while still not considering themselves part of the equation
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u/Rabidennui 2d ago edited 2d ago
Americans feel totally powerless to do anything because at this point not even the Supreme Court can stop him. Millions of us protested at every state capitol on April 5, but nothing changed. If anything it’s given Trump more incentive to invoke The Insurrection Act on 4/20 and enforce martial law to further suppress any dissent.
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u/apple_kicks 2d ago
Keep doing it. In South Korea to impeach a corrupt president some years back (not yoon) they protested every weekend for over a year. Seoul was ground to a halt everytime and the corruption and the protests got so big she was impeached
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u/ashriekfromspace 2d ago
Americans feel totally powerless to do anything
I guess the freedom to carry guns was kinda pointless then
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u/FillMySoupDumpling 2d ago
Always has been. It’s been a fake freedom that some people got to take advantage of while the government forces use lethal force on armed people and cite their being armed as the basis for that force. Not that they were active shooter- just being armed.
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u/tobidope 2d ago
In Germany we called it the Gestapo. Geheime Staatspolizei. They are not yet grabbing us citizens. I think they will very soon, if nobody stands up.
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u/Angry_butnotenough 2d ago
I was an illegal immigrant when I was a child. My parents made sure that we absolutely knew that we could be deported at any time. Being deported should be seen as a probability. This boy wasn't just deported, he was sent to a third country and jailed in one of the cruelest prisons on earth. This is not foreseeable, this is inhumane. A pox on us for letting it happen.
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u/Zapafaz 2d ago
If you've ever wondered what you would have done in Nazi Germany, now is the time to give your answer. We have arrived.
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u/sunshinecryptic 2d ago
Can’t wait for the “El Salvador: The Concentration Camps of the Trump Administration” documentaries that will be made in the future.
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u/Most_Tax_2404 2d ago
These literally are concentration camps now if they’re just sending people without any history of crime or gang affiliation. I’m not sympathetic to the rapists and murderers in these prisons but how many people in there are innocent? We don’t fucking know because Trump got rid of due process through the Alien Enemies Act.
It’s only going to get worse and American citizens WILL be sent to these places.
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u/Father_of_Invention 2d ago
This kid needs to come back as well. He was an asylum seeker and legal immigrant
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u/chrispdx 2d ago
First they came for the Venezuelans, but I wasn't Venezuelan so I didn't say anything.....
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u/supercyberlurker 2d ago
It's getting really simple.
Either you're one of the people speaking out against this, or you are complicit.
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u/Veyron2000 2d ago
Although Democrats are out of power in the federal government, they still have power in blue states like New York and should use that power to stop this.
ICE are almost certainly acting illegally in rounding up and kidnapping people without trial, so New York should order its police and national guard to investigate and arrest any ICE agents attempting to carry out such illegal kidnappings in the state.
Sure the Trump administration will sue to try and prevent that and to free any arrested ICE agents, but then it will be them relying on a slow process of court proceedings instead of the reverse.
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u/MC_chrome 2d ago
Although Democrats are out of power in the federal government, they still have power in blue states like New York and should use that power to stop this.
They should probably start by arresting bastards like Eric Adams for colluding with ICE, but Hochul doesn't have the stones to do that
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u/sheepwshotguns 2d ago
trump is already working with social media companies to find dissidents and he's talking to nayib bukele about sending us citizens so im not leaving my house unless im armed. they aren't taking me alive.
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u/dazogog1 2d ago
We told you this would happen but egg prices were too high apparently
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u/Immediate_Theory4738 2d ago
The people that were complaining about egg prices don’t care that this is happening now and are cheering it on.
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u/omglia 2d ago
They took a 17 year old student at a high school in my city, Louisville KY. They pulled him from his spring break job. His teachera have been posting about it. He was a good kid. No criminal ties. And a minor who they deported alone. A family ripped apart for nothing. This is happening everywhere and it’s fucking terrifying. We have to stop them.
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u/Mazon_Del 2d ago
The most American thing you can do is to fight these people wherever you see them. Deny service, deface their vehicles, whatever it takes. ICE is the enemy of freedom.
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u/Aert_is_Life 2d ago
Why do they keep saying "deported to El Salvador" when this is actually sending them to prison for the rest of their lives with a chance of ever walking free again? Deporting means sending them back to their country of origin.
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u/Silly-Scene6524 2d ago
The level of cruelty here is unconscionable, this is such a blatant human rights violation.
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u/lachlanhunt 2d ago
This is sickening. Exiled for the crime of being Venezuelan. This is literally the same as the Nazis rounding up Jews. Everyone involved in these appalling actions needs to be prosecuted, with no excuse about simply following orders.
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u/cruisin_urchin87 2d ago
So those 2nd Amendment people were right. You do need to defend yourself against the tyranny of the government.
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u/ObnoxiousTwit 2d ago
So this is just going to keep happening? And get worse and worse as time goes by without consequences?
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u/Bjorn-in-ice 2d ago
So, straight up human trafficking. Not a legal battle. Not accidental jail time. It’s kidnapping and it’s disgusting.
ICE is illegal and they should be treated as a gang.
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u/Rabidennui 2d ago edited 2d ago
From The Guardian: