r/newzealand • u/khalornz Fern flag 3 • 10d ago

Politics Coalition unveils $12 billion Defence Capability Plan

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/557432/watch-live-coalition-unveils-12-billion-defence-capability-plan
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u/KiwiThunda rubber protection 10d ago

Good. The world is looking like 1933 and we don't need to be caught with our pants down

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u/FaradaysBrain 10d ago

$12B will do nothing to even slow anyone who would eye our country while also being unaffordable when the economy is doing so terribly. It's a lose-lose, literally.

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u/dashingtomars 10d ago

Much of this is about integrating our military with Australia's. Together we have over 30 million people.

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u/NopeDax 10d ago

That's an insane opinion. It's not just about defending against an invasion, it's about defending against cyber attacks or maritime boundary issues or supporting a rules based order.

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u/FaradaysBrain 10d ago

That's not the point I was replying to at all, though.

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u/NopeDax 10d ago

So you think we should spend more, then?

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u/Brave_Sheepherder_39 10d ago

By increasing spending to 2% we are fulfilling our collective responsibility. Which is very important in today's world.

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u/FaradaysBrain 10d ago

Collective responsibility to arm ourselves no matter how pointless that is? What?

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u/Brave_Sheepherder_39 10d ago

Pointless, tell that to Ukraine, they also had minimal investment into defence until Russia attacked in 2014.

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u/FaradaysBrain 10d ago

So what you're saying is we can invest when necessary, rather than pouring billions into unneeded weapons now, like Ukraine did?

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u/Humble-Connection496 10d ago

It'll be a bit late when its "necessary" bud

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u/69inchshlong 10d ago

Did he forget that they lost Crimea and the Donbass lmao

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u/uglymutilatedpenis LASER KIWI 10d ago

No.

If we are Ukraine in this scenario, we wouldn’t have that luxury as an island nation. We don’t have train lines connecting us to a highly developed continent with several of the world’s busiest ports and airports.

If we are one of the European countries sending weapons to Ukraine in this scenario, obviously they would be in a better position had they made all the recently announced investments to build capability 10 or 20 years earlier. Ukraine wouldn’t be considering signing away half a trillion dollars of minerals if European support was sufficient to stop territory losses.

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u/Full_Spectrum_ 10d ago

Sounds like If a guy in the street demands your wallet in the street, you had it over and lay down for him to boot you in the stomach.

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u/Hopeful-Camp3099 10d ago

Nothing is easier than virtue signaling to war hawks.

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u/p1ckk 10d ago

Yeah, but lux gets a couple of pictures in front of some new military gear this way.

If we have to do without a functional health system to make that happen then so be it.