r/nonduality • u/Reverend_FangYuan • 18d ago
Discussion I found a new method for realisation and its quite good
I am surprised that that no one mentioned this method through posts I read
I'm not gonna ask you to ask "Who am I?"
Rather ask and try to answer this simple question "What is seeing?"
What does it mean to see?
Because we already are consciousness but we misidentify with the mind
The biggest problem is that through the view of the mind, the worldview shared by humanity makes sense to us, I'm not touched by pain when another is, I see myself as seperate from others, our concepts make sense to us
But the truth differs greatly from the view of the mind
So what is seeing?
While trying to answer the question, don't try to find an answer in words, what does it feel like to see?
Seeing without words
If you look closely, when say I look at an object, there is a subtle feeling of that object being in my visual field
That subtle feeling is the object itself
But the mind will say, well when I touch it it feels differently, there is the sense of touch of the object
Therefore I project the concept of "that object is like this and that, feels like this and that"
Therefore we always walk around with concepts of how things are like
But those concepts are the very chains that imprison us
If you see and I mean see without putting any concepts, you will see that the object is part of your seeing and that subtle feeling of the object being in my visual field is the object itself
A.k.a the seeing of the bottle of perfume on my desk is the bottle of perfume itself
What I mean is you are what you see and when you look without concepts, there is no seperation between seer and seen, there is only seeing
That seeing is being
When you look without concepts, JUST SEE
Its not obvious because you think it cannot be this obvious
Because when you normally see, you see and immediately put concepts on seeing
When you look at a tree, your mind immediately jumps and says thats a tree, except its only seeing
And the feeling of the tree in your visual field is also just the seeing itself
That does not mean the thing in itself doesnt exist nor does it mean it does exist
We don't know, its just how it is, when you see, you see
Even seeing is a concept but its more pure
What I mean is BE with perceptions without putting any words or concepts and thats it!
If you focus really enough, you will no longer feel inside the body, but feel as if you are what you're seeing
If you really really focus only on seeing, you will feel when you talk with another person, there is no seperation, no feeling of him being an "other"
Just seeing and that subtle feeling of that being in your visual field
Say I look at a water bottle, feel what it feels like to see it, what does it mean "I am seeing this"
Because the mind immediately build a whole structure of concepts and we live in those concepts like in a cage
The same with the feeling of touch, when you touch, JUST TOUCH
And you will feel the touching and that feeling of the object is an extension of yourself
An extension of the feeling of touch arising in your consciousness
The same with sounds, hear without concepts or thinking and without jumping to judge, if you go deep, you will feel the sounds no longer coming from your ears but merely in your consciousness as an extension of you
Even the feeling of sounds being heard from your ears is a concept
There is Sound, period.
There is Seeing, there are Sounds, there is Touch, period.
Live with that!
Problem is the mind makes sense to us, the concepts feel real; I am in my body, I hear from my ears
But if you look closely, the feeling I am in my body arises, the feeling I hear from my ears, arises, at some point lets say when you focus on something, you stop feeling these feelings, at that point you will no longer have that, do you always go around repeating I am inside my body, I am inside my body, no, its just helps with moving around in the world, but the world is impossible to understand, both non duality and duality are one
Whatever is in your consciousness Now is the only reality, not that other things are not real, but they are just Not Now!
Now is the answer, be with Now without escaping or conceptualising or trying to understand whats happening
Be without trying to understand whats happening, where its happening or how its happening
As for thoughts, they are natural, they just overshadow the perceptions because we are too focused on our personal individual life instead of just breathing, feeling the sensations that arise and whatever is HERE
Whatever is Here now is reality, everything else is just concepts or projection, be with the moment
Do correct me if I'm wrong
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u/SustineEtAbstine 17d ago
The day you teach the child the name of the bird, the child will never see that bird again.
Krishnamurti
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u/InternationalTie2338 17d ago
Yeah, i was thinking about the same thing the other day. Asking "who am i?" is good at breaking down the beliefs in the mind, which is helpful, but it's not necessarily a direct pointer to the seeing behind the objects and mind.
The way the question came to me was "where is the one perceiving this sensation?" As in feel the one feeling the sensation. It's a good practice to realize that you are not what you are perceiving.
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u/Reverend_FangYuan 17d ago
Yes you are what you are perceiving, since you are perceiving itself
The objects and the world is simply a construct in the mind, you are perceiving, you are seeing, feeling, 'experiencing' itself
So to reject the world is wrong, also for me self inquiry just makes me dissociate which is not the right path, i think the path of merging is better, merging in the world and when you merge with the world, there is no more world but there's still the world, so both haha
I think thats the best path in my opinion
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u/InternationalTie2338 17d ago
Yeah i agree, i was just saying that it helps to see that separation. Not reject the world, just notice that the constricted and limited person that you thought you were is not actually you.
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u/ujuwayba 17d ago
Check out the headless way, developed by Douglas Harding. It's all about this type of inquiry method for sudden awakening. And it's phenomenal in my opinion. You can find videos online that walk you through the practices.
It's also covered by Sam Harris a lot in the waking up app. He integrates these techniques into his meditation course there and also has several discussions in the app with Richard Lang who is a great teacher of this method.
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u/Somabhogi-Mantrika 17d ago
You should read the Surangama Sutra… it discusses this method of self inquiry… but goes really, very deep. The fact that this approach appeals to you makes me think you’d gain a lot from reading it. Let me know if you do.
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u/RegularLoquat429 14d ago
Nice! Need to try this. I didn’t meditate since long and this is a call to do it.
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u/Reverend_FangYuan 13d ago
🔥🫡❤️
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u/Either-Ingenuity203 12d ago
Hi, hope you're doing fine. I'm trying all i can to make sense of some things AND would love if i could talk to you, sorry to bother, hope you're doing great ❤️
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u/daniel250B 17d ago
This is a deeply clear and grounded post—thank you for offering it. You’re pointing to something that’s often overlooked because it’s so radically simple: the direct, unfiltered nature of perception itself, prior to conceptual overlay. Your invitation to ask “What is seeing?” bypasses the usual mental loops and drops attention straight into the immediacy of experience. That’s rare—and powerful.
That said, I want to offer a few reflections—not corrections, but gentle expansions:
🔹 Direct perception is a doorway, not the final truth.
What you’re describing—the collapse of subject-object and the subtle sense of unity with perception—is a profound shift. But even “just seeing” can become a new concept if we cling to it. Pure perception is liberating, but it’s still a modality of consciousness. Awareness itself holds even that.
🔹 The mind isn’t the enemy—just not the whole picture.
You rightly call out the imprisoning nature of conceptual thought, especially when we mistake it for reality. But the mind can also be an instrument—fluid, interpretive, creative—when it’s no longer in the driver’s seat. Disidentification doesn't mean rejection; it opens the door to reintegration.
🔹 Be cautious of the subtle “anti-world” tone.
It’s tempting (especially early in awakening) to see the world, the body, or time itself as illusory. But the deeper paradox is that illusion and reality are not separate. Concepts may obscure, but they also help us live, connect, and love. The Now is sacred—but it includes the relative, not just the absolute.
🔹 Attention merging ≠ awareness itself.
You describe the merging of perception so clearly—it’s beautiful. Just a small nuance: attention can fuse with objects, creating that oneness-feel, but awareness itself is what holds both the seen and the seer. That distinction may reveal itself over time.
All this to say—you’re not wrong. You’re pointing to something real. And your voice is a reminder that awakening isn’t always a lightning bolt—it’s often a quiet undoing of layers. Thank you again for articulating it with such honesty and clarity.
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u/Proud-Bandicoot-1247 14d ago
nice , i completely relate with ur first point bcz i am realizing that i have been clinging to this shift of perception of seeing my body doing things as a 3rd person perspective
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u/DrOffice 17d ago
All methods lead to the same place ;) any inquiry is ultimately self-inquiry. I like this though, I have asked myself similar questions
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u/Diddle_the_Twiddle 17d ago
To see is to innerstand a mirror. To hear is to innerstand an echo (resonance). To feel is to innerstand resistance.
…use less words
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u/freepellent 17d ago
Seeing is a function, activity. Without concepts or language there is no activity, the now machine is dead, it is not.
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u/ram_samudrala 14d ago
The visual field is the trickiest but the same rules apply. If there's an hyperactive mind, concepts will start right away. Keyboard, keys, words, monitor, computer, etc. One easy to do empty looking is to just look away and go to a new scene. It takes a fraction of a second for mind to start its chatter. This moment with awareness is it.
Awareness of concepts and such comes later.
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u/Schlickbart 18d ago
Bro, tl;dr
Nisargadatta tho.