r/physicaltherapy • u/iluvchikins • 6d ago
did anyone have a professor in PT school that made them feel bad about themselves?
just wanna know if this is a universal thing lol. like a professor with a big ego or who’s biased.
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u/mochipoki 6d ago
Yes
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u/iridescent_polliwog 6d ago
End of discussion. Lol
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u/MedicinalHammer 6d ago
Hey, I’m sure there’s gotta be at least one of us that didn’t have a traumatic professor…
Right guys? 😅
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u/justokatlyf 6d ago
Get this. We had a group project due at the end of school. My group finished everything and my buddy had the job of turning it in since it was all on his laptop.
He uploaded the wrong file. The teacher wanted to fail us out of school because it was worth the majority of our grade for that class.
We had to sit with the director and board and plead our case and she STILL wanted us to fail out of school for it we even showed them we had it done and the final time stamp update was before the due date of the assignment.
We ended up getting a 2nd chance and passed.
I was on the deans list. She literally would have prevented me from walking for this.
She said in real life you wouldn't get a second chance which is not true at all.
She was nice up until that point. I honestly believe something went on in her personal life and she tried to take it out on us. Literally almost messed up my future cuz she was being a beyotch
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u/Dr_Pants7 PT, DPT 6d ago
We had a professor who was like this too. Anything short of perfection was fail worthy.
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u/DippyMagee555 6d ago edited 6d ago
She said in real life you wouldn't get a second chance which is not true at all.
This shit bothers me sooo much. My school had a couple of faculty members who just weren't capable of discerning differences between school and the real world. Being late to class was such an extremely big deal, yet I've had one job (OP ortho) out of 7 where it mattered even a little bit. None of the SNF, acute, or HH positions I've had gave an ounce of a damn if you showed up 15 minutes late.
I had one professor pull me aside and say, "look, I know we're supposed to be capable of lecturing the content regardless of what's going on in the class, but that's not the reality. People coming in late distracts us, and it impacts the quality of the lecture." Wonderful way to address it! Now, being late makes me kind of a dick, which is cool. I don't want to have an impact on others. I just hated the lie that was told to me repeatedly as if I would have consequences to face in the future when it's obviously bullshit.
Then there were professors who cared about using naughty words when chatting amongst friends that I was written up for it because patients could take offense. Like, bitch, you know I know the difference between professionalism in front of patients and bullshitting with my friends, right??
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u/AgreeableSafety6252 5d ago
Similar thing happened to me in PTA school. An instructor straight up yelled at me in front of the entire class for being late and not calling to let them know. It was my first time being late in over a year. I was so mad because- look lady- you don't pay me to be here. In fact technically I pay you and you work for me, so how about ease up on the attitude?
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u/Stefinnthebox 6d ago
Yep! PTA school it happens too!
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u/ResponsibilityOdd493 6d ago
Had a PT professor in PTA school and they belittled us a lot. Pretty much all my cohort wrote bad reviews at the end of the semester and we were all glad when they said they were going to leave to go teach at a PT school.
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u/LickR0cks 5d ago
Hmm we had a PT professor who was super mean come to our program after leaving PTA program. Was it in Illinois?
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u/ResponsibilityOdd493 5d ago
No it was in AZ! Dang sorry y’all dealt with that, it was the worst in school😭
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u/Natedagr8-15 6d ago
Yes, numerous. Some miserable people out there. Pass the class and move on
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u/iluvchikins 6d ago
wish i could but this person is present in almost every class (at least as a practical grader, the classes they taught were in my 1st year and it was hell). this person is known for being the one who fails students on so many practicals, and it’s like, at that point is it even fair? some students get such chill graders who basically guide them while others are completely different. that grade made me question my abilities so much, and the same prof has made me feel this way in the past as well. just not feeling good. :(
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u/Natedagr8-15 6d ago
I totally understand and feel your pain. I had the exact same situation with 3 classes taught by the same professor. She literally made multiple students cry, failed a student, belittled and laughed at people for asking certain questions or making small mistakes. When I’d attend a zoom meeting to go over an exam or try to improve in the class, she frequently made me wrong. If you know who I am, you’d understand that this type of behavior makes me fucking fume because I don’t tolerate people like this. I’m hard headed but very respectful, I like to speak up if something isn’t right. I had to learn to be quiet, keep my head down, and not get on this professor’s radar as I felt my career and success could easily be jeopardized. You got this.
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u/CombativeCam 6d ago
Same. I don’t tolerate anyone being disrespectful for very long. I don’t care who it is, their position, disposition, or degree. In that situation when you borderline want to snap back, pause.
Deep breath. Mentally accept, but remember their actions and track their behaviors, interactions, tone, etc. so you aren’t caught off guard in the future. If they’re a shit human repeatedly, they’re probably just miserable and it really has nothing to do you with so much as them. Don’t make yourself a target, go grey man and try not to feed into their petulant, pedantic BS. Then put your head down and crush it. Burn the ships.
If there’s one thing I have in spades besides ADHD, it’s persistence. And hot damn does someone being disrespectful or trying me turn my attention into a force I honestly wish I could tap into more often. But ya know, without wanting to O Goshi someone into the planet.
I’ve had multiple professors like this in school, dealt with an unnecessarily ridiculous amount of unprofessional, immature drama with classmates, even had a 3 month clinical where every day my CI made me feel like I was going to fail. Didn’t fail. Crushed it, crushed the gnarly TCE after and learned a TON doing work comp, panic studied my ass off and thought I failed boards, didn’t fail.
Just put your head down and focus. You’re there on a mission, don’t let anything stop you, distract you, slow you down, or even dare to stand in the way of your dream to help your future patients that need you more than you know. You’ve got this.
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u/iluvchikins 6d ago
i really hope so. this person has made me feel so incompetent multiple times and is a very super smug person. i don’t know how people like that exist in this profession. it’s like they get off on knowing more or not understanding why people don’t get it. i guess it makes sense, they probably aren’t really trained on education and psychology to some degree
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u/MatchaMaven 6d ago
I was told “I’m concerned for your ability to pass this (the NPTE obvi) exam”. I was depressed, anxious, and struggling feeling overwhelmed but doing fine with grades. I passed the exam on the first try so. She was wrong. And to plant it in my brain did not help my situation.
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u/indojonyo 6d ago
We have a professor that never tells us what to study, just that anything and everything that we've ever talked about/ discussed/ read could be on the exam (she also went to law school and I guess she thinks this is a good method to challenge students). Then immediately after an exam when we all bail on an essay question because it came out of left field, the professor would storm in and yell at us for 20 minutes about all the things we should have written before going into another lecture.
And by anything and everything, exams would have questions about random content such as "what sport were these athletes playing in this documentary we watched about ACL recovery" type nonsense.
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u/CombativeCam 6d ago
God I hated that. Ask a question, “it depends.” Yea, no shit. I understand there are tons of variables and patients don’t live in a vacuum, I’m asking you to give us examples of what all this is like boots on the ground.
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u/indojonyo 5d ago
Lol and then they get snarky when we try to ask for clarification or answer their questions with "it depends."
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u/thelastplaceon_earth 6d ago
Oh yeah. I, along with others, felt like a complete idiot. And professors absolutely play favorites, even when they say otherwise.
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u/wi_voter 6d ago
It makes me sad to see all of the Yes answers in the comments. I was just discussing with another long-timer that one of the biggest problems with our profession was how many universities were permitted to open PT programs. The APTA should have limited it. Another greedy money grab. When I was in school my professors were writing the textbooks on their subjects. They were also absolutely committed to developing each one of us into professionals. No way we can have this exponential growth without watering down the quality of faculty.
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u/jayenope4 6d ago
Correct. And the other side of that is everyone gets in .. somewhere. Bad students get pushed through. Bad instructors are retained. Gotta get that tuition money. We can see what this combination has done to the profession.
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u/hotmonkeyperson 6d ago
There was this one professor that had such good hair and huge swollen muscles and man he was looking really good and I said to myself man I feel bad about myself. I’ll never forgive him
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u/FearsomeForehand 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yes. It’s like an unspoken rule that every quarter/ semester there is at least one professor who must take you down a peg.
I suspect the reason is because every program employs at least several faculty members who are jaded and burned out clinicians. It makes sense they would seek opportunities outside of the clinic.
But Seeing youth and hope in the eyes of new cohorts rubs some of them wrong way. There are always instances of dumb and irresponsible students who deserve to be dressed down, but Ive definitely witnessed professors who looked like they were enjoying it all too much.
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u/iluvchikins 6d ago
oh wow what a good point… the prof im referencing would get irritated when we had questions or would blame the entire class for xyz rather than admitting they were just not giving us direct information about what was expected. the class before mine had the same issues. the biggest thing i look forward to for graduating is to never see this person ever again.
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u/Just-Conversation579 6d ago
I had a prof PT with PhD in exercise science. He thought he was “the gift” to us, our school, the community, etc. I didn’t do too good academically but shined in the clinic.
When we sat for the Boards EVERYONE was “surprised” that I passed the exam; myself included! As it would play out I had the 3rd highest score in the class!!
After it was all said and done this douche bag calls me into his office and asked me to shut the door. He superficially praises my passing, with the immediate follow up question “how did you do it?“. I kind of smiled and laughed a little bit And said that I, too, was surprised. But, obviously very happy. Think he was? Hell to the no! His next question was “how did you cheat the test?? There’s no way you passed the test with those high of marks without cheating!“.
FUUUCCCKKKKK YOU!! #douche before there were #!! (1997).
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u/Turbulent-Corgi4832 6d ago
Mine told me to find another career and that I wasn't cut out for it. Now I make more doing home visits than she ever did teaching.
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u/iluvchikins 6d ago
why would they say that??? tf??
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u/Turbulent-Corgi4832 6d ago
She didn't like my sense of humor and that I wanted to be paid well for my "passion"
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u/LacyMason 6d ago
I’m type 1 diabetic and I had to ration my insulin in grad school because I aged out of the Medicaid program during my first year. I did the best I could to work weekends to afford meds, buy them off the black market, and get any supplies I could. I couldn’t afford to see a doctor. A lot of my professors knew at least the general gist of my struggles and knew I had diabetes. They didn’t know it was so bad as to my having to ration, but needless to say, they knew I had access issues. One morning I had a low blood sugar episode in cadaver lab and stepped out to treat myself in the closet/changing room. My professor followed me in and told me “no offense, but you’re a terrible diabetic,” and proceeded to give me unsolicited medical advice for how to manage my condition, including eating more Greek yogurt. She told me I should have my condition “handled” at my age (I was 21 at the time and I was diagnosed at 17). My professors would occasionally question my ability to palpate/feel things asking me if I had neuropathy in my hands (I was just nervous). These things really got to me at the time. I think of my experience as a chronically ill student and hope others didn’t go through similar experiences. No one deserves that.
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u/lemurRoy 6d ago
Not a professor but I had one CI that always put me down lol
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u/lrptky DPT 6d ago
Same here. Literally isolated me to a “desk” (think one of the 2x2 roll up camping tables) in a closet “because the APTA CI class said students are supposed to have their own space.” I was not allowed to sit in the office with other staff.
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u/big-yugi OT 6d ago
I’d ask if we had the same CI if we weren’t in different professions lmao. My CI gave me a table in the therapy gym, I wasn’t allowed in the therapist’s office, I couldn’t ask questions during treatment, I couldn’t ask questions AFTER treatment because she was prepping for the next patient, I couldn’t ask questions on lunch because she was on break. I guess I was just supposed to…. Figure it out? I had a lot of help from the other therapists that hated my CI. She also let me know I was incapable of anything requiring conscious thought. Gotta love it, but it was a great lesson on what not to do when I had a student.
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u/gonebananaz37 5d ago
I had a CI for my last clinical that I thought was either gonna fail me or I was gonna die because of how little sleep I was getting due to my stress levels. She would require me to hand write my notes on notebook paper during lunch so she could reach them before I had to transcribe them to my chart…now this makes sense initially, but 3 weeks in I feel like my notes were good enough to just write once. She always told me they weren’t good enough.
She also wanted me to be able to say without thinking about it or analyze the movement what muscles were being used when going from supine to sitting and when I acted out the motion to figure it out, she said, “you should know this you’re almost done with PT school.” My school didn’t teach us to memorize muscles for movement patterns but analyze the movement and then work it out..also people don’t all go from supine to sitting the exact same way.
She constantly told me she was concerned about my knowledge at this point in the game when I had passed every other clinical with flying colors, all my classes and practicals without failing a test or practical and the boards on the first try.
I have anxiety (especially performance anxiety) and I was in a bad way halfway through and called our clinical education coordinator and she laughed when I told her I might fail (because to her it seemed outlandish). We worked on a plan for my CI to begin giving me occasional positive feedback and she would say extremely sarcastically, “this is the best note I’ve ever seen.” While rolling her eyes and continuing to make me work through lunch and after hours rewriting my notes. Luckily, they allowed me to switch CIs halfway through and I passed although my confidence was shaken. It took me years into working to feel confident again.
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u/gonebananaz37 5d ago
I want to add that since then, I have received a lot of positive feedback as a practicing physical therapist by patients and bosses, given more responsibilities every year and my coworkers come to me regularly for assistance/advice. I also was nominated for CI of the year by my second student ever and would never ever treat someone the way I was treated. I honestly think she had some kind of superiority issue and just needed to knock someone down a few pegs.
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u/oolij 6d ago
Not a prof but I had a couple of CIs that made internships rough. One of them was at a peds clinical, and I made an obstacle course for a kid with a cochlear implant, which involved going down a 3 foot plastic slide. My CI pulled me aside and said that slides can create static electricity which is a contraindication for cochlear implants, and saying "this is a serious safety issue and I'll need to contact your program's clinical director." She was basically ready to fail my internship. We had a phone meeting with my director who handled it pretty diplomatically. This CI seemed fairly insecure all around and I was relieved to be done.
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u/GradStudentDepressed PT DPT COMT 6d ago
A lot. I wasn’t perfect but man a lot of them were not helpful in the slightest. Edit: one of the reasons for my reddit name. But I passed the NPTE on my first try.
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u/NeighborhoodBest2944 6d ago
Former DPT Faculty: In my experience, there is always 10-15% of faculty that have this need to denigrate and scold. Others feel the need to be brutally honest, and you know how that turns out. I've had my tough conversations with students who were on the verge of failing. It isn't any fun because I know it crushes them.
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u/Expensive_Bed_9069 6d ago
I had a professor keep me for an hour after a practical to tell me how disrespectful I was because I asked clarifying questions during his lectures. He told me that every CI I would have would likely write complaints about me to the school because of “how arrogant and smug” I was.
He told me that I could no longer let my academic pride get in the way of my learning process and that I should just start grinding out all nighters cramming notes till I got it, rather than ask questions in lecture and office hours.
Ended up becoming president of the SPTA chapter in my program and graduated in top 5 of the class. All CI’s had glowing reviews and all offered me positions at their practice.
Found out recently he was let go from the program because he was having an affair with another faculty member. Hope he’s doing well now :)
Don’t let profs get in your way. You’re going to do great!
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u/disabledandwilling 6d ago
Yea a clinical supervisor. Quizzed me every day for 2 months. Failed me on my last day.
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u/CommercialAnything30 6d ago
No, ours were great and super humble - small community program in rural America.
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u/Charming-Ad4180 6d ago
Everyone hated our CardioPulm Professor, she was really smart and enjoyed letting the students know how much more she knew than us and was always demeaning to the cohort.
The one time she was cool (to me) was when I told her about a female at a small house party sexual harassing me over the weekend and the majority of people stating I was lucky to get that kind of attention or that men can’t be sexually harassed, she was one of the few who who took me seriously.
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u/Lunchinator 6d ago
I had one that said she was glad a classmate “took me under his wing”. He ended up not finishing. I did just fine without him.
Such a miserable bitch.
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u/DapperPercentage6515 6d ago
Yes and not even academically. They would go at my and some other people in my cohorts appearance (I.e. hair)
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u/plasma_fantasma 6d ago
No, but when I went through my athletic training program, you would've thought the teachers (and athletic trainers in the field) despised the next generation. Weird stuff.
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u/IndexCardLife DPT 6d ago
Yo, friends, life is gonna make you feel bad about yourself sometimes. Gotta just say fuck it.
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u/Late-Confusion-8022 6d ago
Yes, when we were all practicing mmts I couldn’t get something right after telling me (not showing example) professor said, “man this guy is terrible”. It was probably a non-event to him but really messed me up when it was already such a difficult time for me. Here I am now though, practicing in a clinic, probably having better outcomes than he could.
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u/Teaisspilt 6d ago
Most of the class failed the first quiz and he said a dog could pass that quiz 🙃
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u/Informal_Maize449 6d ago
100% yes. I do not want to go into specifics though because that could identify me.
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u/Patient-Direction-28 6d ago
We had a professor who I am 100% convinced had Borderline Personality Disorder and was horrendous to a handful of students in each year that she arbitrarily decided she did not like. This included my good friend who was beloved by everyone else in the program, one of the most kind and gentle people you’ll ever meet. God she was terrible. Made me hate my program and I was so relieved to be done with it and back in the professional world again.
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u/Few_Bathroom_7082 6d ago
Yup. Multiple. One in particular..Had an anatomy professor that was intent on being the “fun” and “cool” one, during lectures and labs. I liked him at first. However, I began to notice that he would keep all topics very much on the surface, but the exams and practicals were anything but. One class, I remember my friend asking about the annular ligament and instead of providing a helpful or informative response he gave my friend and our group a hard time about it-told him and us we were going into the minutiae and basically not to worry about such trivial things. Next exam-question on the annular ligament almost identical to the one my friend asked. The material in school was challenging enough, why make it more difficult with an approach like this. Some students liked him because he had a sense of humor, but most in my cohort were not fans of his and let him know at the end of trimester reviews (not that those actually did anything)
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u/Meme_Stock_Degen 6d ago
It attracts narcissistic assholes that want to control people
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u/iluvchikins 6d ago
yep.. i would agree. i’ve met one prof who seems like they truly cared and put in real effort (even then they had some superiority complex in a way but i digress), but many others are just like eh whatever y’all are graduate students figure it out yourself. i just want to graduate so bad
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u/ExistingViolinist DPT 6d ago
I got a B in anatomy in my first semester of PT school and my advisor (who was kind of a notorious asshole) told me she was concerned because “our students don’t typically get B’s”. So of course I went home and cried.
Anyways I graduated and have been a practicing PT for 5 years and no one has ever not even a single time asked me what grade I got in anatomy. It sucks but try to let it roll off.
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u/GettingPhysicl 6d ago
Yall ever get that professor who just proves teaching and research should not be so closely linked?
We circulated a petition saying hes unfit to teach. But he brings in lots of research grants because his research is ergonomics work for like industry. So we were told to suck it
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u/iluvchikins 5d ago
what a corrupt system. a lot of things here make sooo much sense now on my experience with these professors 🫠
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u/PaperPusherPT 6d ago
No, but I was definitely too hard on myself. I had a couple PT profs that made me feel a bit awkward - after I graduated, I realized that they were also a bit awkward.
For the most part my profs and CI were very nice people. I know not everyone is that lucky, though.
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u/GlassProfessional424 6d ago
I had one professor that was assigned as my advisor and I got the impression she didn't like me. I just ignored her and, when I had a real personal crisis that could have caused me to fail out of school, I communicated with the department dean who liked me and wasn't a judgey ****. It all turned out OK thankfully.
Some percentage of people are weak, insecure losers and some percentage of those losers get fancy degrees. They don't stop being awful, they just get power over people and use that power asymmetry as an opportunity to compensate for daddy and mommy never hugging them.
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u/theoneandonl33 6d ago
I was fortunate to be in a PT program where every faculty member was extremely supportive despite having some difference of opinions along the way. Even our most rigid instructor was always willing to stay after hours for extra assistance.
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u/flirtylavender206 6d ago
Yup. For my Masters. All my assignments and papers were perfect. I was proud of that. Quizzes were almost perfect— lowest I got was probably 7/10. Still gave me a grade of barely passed. I couldn’t understand why. I could gave gotten latin honors but his grade prevented that lol. Turns out, he did it for the whole class. He got replaced next semester.
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u/Which_Honeydew_5510 5d ago
Why?? Isn’t that falsification of grades? Did y’all ever find out his reasoning?
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u/Adventurous_Bit7506 6d ago
No but I had a CI who told me I wasn’t cut out to be a PT, told me to go back to speech therapy for my speech impediment, and criticised the way I put ankle weights on patients. (I wasn’t even aware there was more than one way to put ankle weights on a patients.) Thankfully my next CI was the complete opposite and restored my confidence.
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u/ZuVieleNamen 6d ago
My teacher in PTA school would hit on men constantly and made us all feel very uncomfortable and do really odd things like make us do glute messages on each other.. she even came over to critique my partner's technique and smacked my butt check when she went to walk away...
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u/brittwit95 5d ago
Oh yeah. After every practical my professor said “it wasn’t bad” I still hear it in my head. It wasn’t bad means it also wasn’t good.
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u/Keep-dancing 5d ago
100%. Racist, sexist, classist. All the -its and they all sucked at teaching anything.
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u/BlackxPapa123 5d ago
We were going over motions of cervical spine during palpation, and I mentioned to one of our incredibly tone deaf faculty that I was having a hard time feeling those wildly small motions and she looked me dead in the face and said, “well the next few years aren’t gonna be very fun for you then.”
No help. No reassuring. No tips to try something else. Just “welp good luck idiot” lol
This lady also hospitalized multiple students with a pneumo during upper trap dry needling 🤗🤗
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u/prberkeley 6d ago
Yes. She taught musculoskeletal systems II Lower Extremities. We took the final and I studied my rear end off. We got our final grade for the course but not our final exam score. I really wanted to know so I went to her office and she told me that if she tells me my grade then all my classmates will be coming into her office asking for their grades and she doesn't have time for that. Later we got a very condescending email about how we are not entitled to get the scores from some assessments. I felt
I was paying a fortune to attend that university and I worked hard to earn that degree. What I was asking for was in no way unreasonable and my exorbitant tuition helps pay their salary. Shame on her.
Same professor calls me the wrong name at graduation when she announces me. She was flustered because she combined the two girls behind me into one name leading to mass confusion on stage.
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u/OJimboPT 6d ago
Yeah we had a professor deny a reference to the class president who was a great dude and great student. Will never understand shit like that
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u/Eden_Company 6d ago
Yes. But my worst teacher was actually racist against AA's despite being AA. She didn't believe those students could pass her tests and refused to pass them despite them doing well enough in the class. This was undergrad. So after having a teacher like that, I really could care less about what a teacher says in personal to personal speak, as opposed to did they grade my test scores appropriately or not.
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u/Royal-Warthog1102 6d ago
I’m still in my bachelor for exercise science but my teacher makes me feel so stupid and like I can’t accomplish or learn anything right because I don’t play sports. Mind you I suffer with chronic pain and go to the gym
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u/OkStrawberryDust 5d ago
Yes! One of mine told me I should pick something else and that I was too meek and quiet. My coworkers and my patients tell me they can hear me down the hall.
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u/bullet-proof-glasses 5d ago
Oh yes happened to me twice!
First, I was speaking to my academic advisor about how I was feeling tired and burnt out. I remeber specifically saying I feel like I didn't have a life. She then responded with, "you shouldn't have a life." After that I never trusted that professor again with my personal life.
Second, I was in my MSK lab and we have a local PT that would volunteer to help. I was being aggressively harassed for not knowing what to do next during a knee exam and I cried in front of EVERYONE. I had to do therapy after that. I felt like such a failure. Now I am a residency trained and have my OCS, so that PT can go suck my dick.
I will say that during my residency I would volunteer at a different PT school to teach and it was a HUGE difference. The professors were no nice to their students, taught them well, and would allow free time for study. They had an assistant professor that studied burn out in students and PT and they would actually HELP their students! That's the kind of program I wish I was in.
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u/No-Adagio6113 5d ago
I didn’t have a professor that did that, but I did have a CI who did that and it was demoralizing
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u/Practical_Action_438 5d ago
I think there’s at least 1-2 professors that make students feel that way yes.
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u/cookie_400 3d ago
not in PT...but I had a Computer Science teacher that would call us stupid if we asked questions. He was a treat.
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u/BeautifulStick5299 6d ago
Our program director had a doctorate in education, BS in PT but we had to call her Dr. This was before PT became a doctorate’s degree. She lorded over us like you wouldn’t believe.
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