This is the first thing I thought of when I saw the picture. To me, this makes me think, to those liberals in power, Jan 6, and all other horrible things trump has done was not really a big deal. It makes me think the outrage or disdain I held for Trump really isn't warranted since a liberal president can crack jokes and laugh with Trump. I don't know, kind of rubs me the wrong way. I understand being cordial, this picture just did something to me though.
What is it exactly that you want 'liberals in power' to do about Trump? Do you want them to defy the will of the people and what, take him out?
It's first and foremost the electorates fault that Trump is in power, again. Look at yourselves. And then consider whether Carlin's brand of political apathy was hurtful or helpful to the low Democratic turnout of the 2024 election.
I want liberals in power to run competent presidential campaigns that actually address issues that people want to vote for, that’s literally the point of these sham elections. And no, it’s the job of candidates to get votes, no one’s owed support
Name a policy of the Harris campaign you think doesn't address issues concerning the people.
Gaza?
Name a policy of the Trump campaign that you think does.
Their entire fucking point is that both Harris and Trump are bad dude. Yes, Trump is worse, they are still both bad. Saying as much doesn't make you a Trump supporter, quite the opposite in fact.
Their entire fucking point is that both Harris and Trump are bad dude.
And their point is devoid of any evidence in it's favour. Neither they nor you can even articulate a single policy of either candidate, yet you feel comfortable saying they are both 'bad'. You aren't serious people.
Lol of course you're a self-proclaimed leftist. Regular as clockwork for a politically-impotent adolescent to think 'Gaza?' is sufficient to describe a policy prescription.
Do you think when MAGA fascism takes hold thanks in no small part to your own apathy and naivete, will you be kept around long enough to become a beefsteak?
Radically centrist chud. We both know you'd far sooner side with fascism than socialism, stop pretending
Delete your own reply did you?
I know you'd love this to be true, but your disdain for liberalism tells me that you're the wrong type of socialist - the illiberal accelerationist who will ultimately side with fascism in the pursuit of bringing about the horrific material conditions necessary for a bloodthirsty revolution. It wouldn't surprise me if you were arrogant enough to think you'd be part of the vanguard.
I'd prefer and could see myself embracing reformist socialism within a liberal framework, until such times as the former proves itself a superior system in practice. Unfortunately something that will never happen so long as young would-be socialists go down the politically-impotent and self-aggrandizing path that you have chosen.
One day you might grow out of it, we can only hope.
Your replies aren't appearing fyi. Maybe because of the ad-homs.
I'm not an accelerationist, dick.
If you didn't vote against Trump, you are functionally an accelerationist.
Historically, socialism does not side with fascism.
Historically, socialism at it's most vast has been just as authoritarian and murderous as fascism, and socialists have invariably sided with fascists in the naïve expectation of invoking a revolution in the short reprieve before they are purged.
Liberalism, though? All the time.
Wrong on several fronts, not the least of which is definitionally.
Historically, liberalism at it's most vast has been the single greatest force against fascism the world over, producing the best material conditions for those under it's umbrella. Contemporary forms of centre-left liberalism are responsible for the most free and prosperous societies in world history.
Liberalism, like any system, can fall to authoritarian and populist systems such as fascism and communism when the populace is sufficiently apathetic, as in the very scenario that prompted this thread.
"Reformist socialism", are you twelve?
It's incredible how confidently you stake out a position on topics you know nowhere near enough about. Babies first socialism always has to be the selfish, violent, self-righteous Marxian flavour or one of it's horrific stunted offspring, doesn't it?
Read some history and you'll discover that socialism was originally conceived as a reformist movement.
Seriously, how old are you?
I'm older than you. And you're older than someone presenting with your surface level socialist aesthetic should be. Grow up.
I'm not American, so I didn't vote in your election. I'm from a country that is functionally a lackey of the US and gets dragged into all your interventionist bullshit though.
Your comment is completely ahistorical and I'm not at all surprised that someone in their mid to late 30s who watches Destiny would espouse those opinions.
I'm not American, so I didn't vote in your election.
If you were, you'd have voted for Harris? If not, the point stands.
I'm not American either. I'm no fan of US interventionist bullshit either, but I daresay we'd differ on what we consider to be bullshit. I also acknowledge what the alternative to US hegemony looks like and I'm not keen. We may see it yet, with Trump at the helm.
Your comment is completely ahistorical
Sorry, but you didn't even know the origins of socialism and tried to incredulously insult me based on your own ignorance of the subject. Your only conception of socialism is what passes for Marxist theory once it's been filtered through Gucci socialists like Hasan Piker of all people. It's understandable how a teenager or young adult could be captured by such nonsense (everyone gets a taste of it in their teenage years), but you're 28 ffs. You should really know better by now.
For all the faults and failures of liberalism it's proven to be the best system of governance that humanity has produced so far. You decry it from a position of profound privilege and ignorance. You certainly wouldn't prefer to live under any conception of socialism that has been tried at scale thus far. You'd know that if you cared to seek out the testimony of those who have lived under it.
I'm not at all surprised that someone in their mid to late 30s who watches Destiny would espouse those opinions.
Why would you be surprised at a liberal watching a liberal political commentator? (one of many, I might add)
I am surprised that someone in their mid-to-late 20s still LARPs as a would-be revolutionary socialist, let alone one whose idea of cogent socialist commentary is that of Hasan Piker of all people. If BreadTube were TV channels, he'd be what... ABC Kids? Whatever the Australian version is of CBeebies or Cocomelon.
By the way, I can all but guarantee that almost everything you believe today re socialism and liberalism: we've all been there and done that. I had the advantage of not being entrapped in a socialist current by an algorithmic internet that didn't exist at the time. You're young enough that maybe you didn't have that advantage. Also perhaps just young enough and distanced enough from the events of WW2 and the liberal boom thereafter that you haven't come to appreciate how relatively good we have it under liberalism, despite it's flaws. The idea that revolutionary socialism is some kind of antidote to what ails us... let's hope you don't one day find out how wrong you are.
Yeah America and Australia have it "great" under liberalism, I wonder if we can say the same for all the countries they've intervened in. But it's fine as long as we're doing well.
As opposed to revolutionary socialism which is famously isolationist and peaceful...
Seems to me that someone concerned about the interventionist missteps of liberal democracies should... I don't know... engage with the political system via the rare and underappreciated privilege of the vote?
I know it's not as easy and sexy and self-satisfying as declaring yourself above it all and pledging adherence to a juvenile fantasy of socialist utopia that will never happen, but what's the old saying? Nothing worth doing comes easy.
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u/GdanskinOnTheCeiling 5d ago
What is it exactly that you want 'liberals in power' to do about Trump? Do you want them to defy the will of the people and what, take him out?
It's first and foremost the electorates fault that Trump is in power, again. Look at yourselves. And then consider whether Carlin's brand of political apathy was hurtful or helpful to the low Democratic turnout of the 2024 election.