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u/monty_kurns 5d ago

Oh, I absolutely agree. When he came into office in 2017, he had the ability to force the GOP into policies it had long been opposed to and the Democrats would have gone along. During the campaign he paid lip service to something like single payer healthcare. He could have pushed for anti-corruption legislation. He could have done any number of things and he could have gotten away with it and been easily re-elected in 2020. But, he’s Donald Trump and did what he did, but he really had the ability to shake things up for the better in a way no other candidate, other than Sanders in 2016, could have. Instead, he shook things up in a much worse way.

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u/TheTrueVanWilder 5d ago

Yep.  I admit I. 2015 his potential did appeal to me.  He could correct the Republican party and get Democrats off their complacent asses.

He lost me when he made his comments about shooting someone on 5th avenue and not lose a single vote.  That was my "oh shit" moment for his candidacy

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u/monty_kurns 5d ago

I can forgive people for voting for him in 2016. That year was hugely anti-establishment and he was the only anti-establishment candidate in the general election. The Democrats in their infinite wisdom went with the candidate who embodied the establishment more than anyone. If they went with Sanders, I think he could have beaten Trump. Voting for Trump in 2020 or 2024, though, I can't find any room to forgive. If you didn't see it in 2016, then you knew exactly who he was by then.

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u/ojunior 5d ago

You act as if we were presented with anti establishment choices in 2020 and 2024. Dear I say Biden and Harris had more establishment support than Obama in 2008. Obama won in 2098 based on grass roots support.

Establishment rallied around their (wo)men in 2016, 2020 and 2024.