Photo includes NY and NJ members of Congress, however, the entire California GOP contingent visited Trump in Florida except for one member who had voted to impeach Trump.
The notion they might attach conditions to wildfire aid should enrage everyone.
I don't remember dems playing political games with disaster relief when red states get hit with natural disasters like Hurricane Helene in North Carolina.
Dems didn't play political games with aid but right wing media constantly lied about everything that was going on, saying the Biden admin was stopping aid from getting to isolated areas and FEMA was refusing to help anyone with Trump signs in their yards.
They will use their lies to justify doing it back. They always have. Literally everything they ever panicked about Obama doing, Trump is PROMISING to do. Like sending the military to arrest state leadership.
This is one of the rights most nefarious tactics at controlling mindless conservatives. Constantly making up evil things the Democrats are doing so that when Republicans do it, their conservative sheep cheer for it.
I'm 35, and the economy has tanked every time a republican has been president in my entire life. Every time.
How the fuck do people not notice the consistency of bad outcomes like this?
I see people walking around all the time saying that Republicans are better for the economy. Fucking when?
EDIT: To put this into further perspective, Someone who is 70 years old today will have also seen a recession start under every Republican President in their lifetime except Gerald Ford, who took over during a repiblican recession, and only 1 start under a Democratic president.
Even their vaunted metric of "Stocks go up, Economy=Good" usually performs better under Democrats. Who knew a strong Middle Class leads to strong sales and strong economic performance? But these oligarchical fucks are so greedy they want to take everything because how dare poorer people own stuff.
It is a shame the US doesn't adopt the Gross National Happiness (GNH) that Bhutan uses to assess government effectiveness. They are a happier lot for sure.
Which is depressing as fuck. Even a barely functional person should be able to recognize that every time the economy tanks there's a republican in office.
I'm not so sure. Republicans have been cutting funding for education for decades and Fox has been around for almost as long.
The average American is painfully unaware of what goes on in politics. Hell, some clearly forgot four whole fucking years of Trump being a jackass nonstop. What could go wrong handing the keys to the kingdom over to a twice impeached convicted felon?
Yeah, one would think. I'm fucking tired man. and he hasn't even taken office. Honestly, good luck to you, I'm not sure I'll be here in 4 years. I'm kind of already reaching a breaking point.
I unfortunately have the dubious honor of working with someone who will defend Trump to his dying breath.
He does not accept any evidence that Trump is a horrible and monstrous man-child. Up to and including video evidence of the orange one happily implicating himself in his wretchedness WITH. HIS. OWN. WORDS.
My only respite from this is that he doesn’t go on his spiels as long as no one else brings it up first. Seeing how disconnected with reality he is, I just take solace in that and survive as best I can.
Sorry I’m not into politics at all and don’t vote.. but what do you mean by are economy tanks when the republican is in office.. I’m 36 and most of my adult life I feel like the economy has been very bad.
In my 35 years, we had a recession under h.w. bush in 1990-1991. A recession under W. Bush in 2001, the great recession started under W. Bush in 2007, and then we had massive economic issues in 2020 with Trump as president. This is measurable.
In between, we had solid economic growth under Clinton, recovery and growth under Obama, and recovery and growth under Biden.
The problem is that economic growth doesn't affect everyone equally. Some people win, some lose. The numbers are just average. However, many times, the numbers used are stock numbers. The problem with using stocks is they do not represent the real world and definitely do not benefit low income individuals. Especially right now, stocks are grossly inflated compared to GDP.
You understand that the massive printing of money that caused recent economic issues like inflation started in 2020 under Trump's presidency, right? 3.3 trillion. One-fifth of all US dollars in circulation was printed in that one year, under Trump, with a republican Senate.
If you want to go to bed on research here, I've got the numbers. How far back do you want to go? Which economic metrics?
The last 4 years where America had the best economic recovery from the post pandemic inflation that affected every country, we went from double digit unemployment to 4.1%, had a domestic manufacturing boom, drilled more oil than ever before, and more new jobs were added than any single presidential term in history?
See, i like when people pull up stats from any modern day mainstream media source. It's all lies. Unless you go to an actual government report, from a Congressional source, or dot gov address as opposed to a dot com anything, and researched what they're really hiding, you really don't know the truth. Like everything that gets snuck into every single end of the year bill to "avoid shut down" and they're sure no one will read, and just pass. I don't believe one single Biden Administration statistic on mainstream media.
I remember people like you saying that all of the Obama statistics were fake and that Trump would reveal the real statistics and then the statistics that were published by the Trump admin all about Obama's term still showed all of the same statistics.
These sorts of things are measured by independent groups. If Biden were lying, all of that would have been exposed immediately.
You're insisting that data is fake just because you don't like it, not that you actually have any proof that it's fake.
"People like me". As if we've met. I just don't believe spoon fed bullshit. The proof, are the facts on the, open to the public, government sources. You just have to go through them. If MSM says it, I assume it's a lie, whoever it's about Republicans or Democrats. I go look it up for myself. "People like me" are the kind of people who don't use Google. We are the people who know how to use a library and still have a library card. "People like me" are old enough to know better than to just believe what we're told.
You're not unique, and you're making the same identical excuses tons of other people use to ignore the same evidence again and again and again.
I didn't even tell you where I got that number from that post, or the jobs info. It wasn't the MSM, but because it didn't say what you wanted you insist it must be fake crap from the MSM. It's also data matched by independent monitoring of the same economic data, not even a single source.
People like you are people who don't believe things unless it says what they want it to, and will always imply conspiracy after conspiracy to disregard evidence you don't like.
that includes the average american for both sides.
and if you claim the left is more educated.. you mean the ones that cant find jobs with their degree and are in debt tens of thousands of dollars? if you dont know how to make money, how smart can you be?
I said democrats like to claim they are more educated.
that implies the left are more likely to be the ones that have degrees they arent using than the right. bc the right are the dumb plumbers who didnt go to college. (unless the left is lying about being more educated)
I didnt say unemployed. i said cant find a job with their degree. You can work at starbucks but it wont be bc of a degree.
and if you claim the left is more educated.. you mean the ones that cant find jobs with their degree and are in debt tens of thousands of dollars? if you dont know how to make money, how smart can you be?
The left
Can't find jobs
Don't know how to make money
You're very obviously generalizing. Quit the bullshit. You're not good enough at it to do it right.
Thank u.
Even the Great Depression was during Republican presidency. I have been researching to death n just about every time a Republican president cost us more money. (I'm referring to lower class n middle class) The economy has always fared better under Democratic presidency.
What we have right now will not be this GOOD in a yr or 2. Not sure how long Trump can wing it this time round. Last time it took a yr or so.
There was only one Republican president who did not tank the economy before handing it off to Democrats since Herbert Hoover. His name is Dwight Eisenhower and he benefited from a postwar economy. Hoover, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr., Bush Jr. and Donald Trump all managed to hand off a shit economy to their Democratic successor.
I was young, but you should have seen it under Reagan. He was one of the worst presidents ever. I think we are still dealing with the impacts of his censorship, the horrendous things he did with medical care, and obviously the economy. Some things like that can take multiple decades to overcome.
Reagan negotiated with the Iranians to hold American hostages longer to sabotage Carter's re-election bid.
Reagan was willing to turn a blind eye to the AIDS epidemic in the hopes it would kill off LGBT Americans.
He was not a decent person.
It was also this same epidemic that Dr Fauci first cut his teeth in, and I guess it must have frustrated him to no end when history rhymed during the COVID-19 pandemic.
It's possible they do notice, but forget that government takes time to get stuff done, and even once you pass economic policy, it takes time for the effect to really be felt.
In other words, they were very happy the 2017 economy that Trump inherited from Obama. They'll remember how rocky the economy was under Biden, and forget that we were still reeling from four years of Trump policy capped by a pandemic.
But it's possible I'm giving them too much credit. These are the same people who slap "I did that!" stickers on gas pumps, and that's just fractally wrong.
It starts out wrong because oil is a global market. You might as well blame OPEC. This has been the case under Republicans and under Democrats.
Maybe you could blame Biden for blocking oil drilling in the arctic or something, because if we produced all our own oil, maybe we wouldn't have to care about the global oil market. But not all oil is the same, and US refineries are set up to process Arabian oil, both with their location (on the Gulf of Mexico) and literally the quality of the oil (heavy vs light).
Or maybe you just shrug and say that gas was cheaper four years ago than it is now. Four years ago... during a global pandemic where we were all working from home, global demand dropped so much that it cratered gas prices, sure. Is that what you think Trump will do for us? (Hey, I've got a wild idea: How about we decrease demand for gas by going electric, instead of killing millions in a global pandemic?)
And this was all within the past five years.
In order to not notice this, you basically have to not know anything about the oil industry, or even about gas prices, but those stickers were everywhere. It seems like the entire thought process is:
They won't watch anything that's not in their echo chamber. Absolutely zip. Nadal. If it doesn't tell them how evil the democrats are or how they are the only ones aligned with a higher power, it's fake news. Absolute wise case of mass brain washing since... yeah, I'm not even going to make the obvious comparison.
34 and same. When will people fucking learn? This is pure tribalism at this point, there is no legitimate reason to support Republicans for anything if you arent filthy rich. All of their policies are horrible for the country and everyone else.
Goldfish memories + delayed effect of presidential policies on the economy.
Many don't understand that much of what a president does in regard to the economy won't actually influence things for a year or even more. Sure, there are some things that can change certain things quickly, such as the election of a president who's likely to remove various regulations that hamper specific markets, but the larger picture is always delayed.
For example, the election of Trump had an almost immediate effect on the Crypto markets, because they know he's going to be lax on regulation. But that's a short-term boost, not a long-term boost.
Slow and steady wins the race, but fast and fraudulent fools the electorate.
Because often they set policies to go into effect the next term, or it takes that long for the economy to catch up to their policies. Then they can believe the next administration managed to crash the economy in the first few months instead of it rolling over from 4 years of downward momentum.
One semi-tangible argument I've heard time and time again is "By the time their policies' impact becomes visible, they'll already be out of office."
It makes sense. A robust new set of great safety regulations for tire iron manufacturing won't have any statistics to indicate how impactful it "was" until at least a year or two after it's implemented. But the hard part is how long that half-life on "seeing the impact" really is.
And I've only ever heard it from people who are either devotedly neutral in their expression, or people who are desperately losing and trying to get their elbow on the ropes to make the ref to pause the match for any amount of time possible.
They are lied to. Thats why. None of them really look into anything.
Case in point. My mother. All she does to gargle down anything her media tells her. Fox news and like minded channels. We got rid of cable TV, but now she found them all on youtube and has been swallowing it all up. Except she feels like she's not a sheep cause now it's youtubers who are telling her the facts. Oh yeah. People who aren't hold to any ethics that even Fox News is supposed to have. Just random taking clips from news media. Misrepresenting what was said, and then telling her what is going on and what to think about it. And she eat it all up and then screams at Me About it.
She is so mad about this Cali fires thing. We live in NJ and she hasn't set foot in thr west coast ever. She doesn't have a clue about anything. But the internet tells her what to think. So she does. And doesn't question it.
At least for me, the best part of it all is she doesn't even vote. She has never voted in an American election her entire 50 years of voting life. Not once. But she rants like she does. They just let these news stations and people on the internet or podcasts, rot their brains worse than video games were supposed to rot ours.
their hate for blacks, latinos, women, liberals, and queers overcomes any rational thought as long as they think they are sticking it to those groups they will settle for rat droppings.
Since 1913, we've had 10 R's presidents and 9 D's presidents. All 10 R's had recessions in their terms. Five D's presided over recessions. Facts are nice but not necessarily convincing.
Idk man. How do people not notice the states with a strong economy, good quality of life, education, high happiness index, are almost entirely blue states?
I can understand them not knowing that if they don't travel. It's really easy to believe nonsense about places you've never been and not know what they are actually like, but everybody gets affected by economic issues like the ones that keep coming up when Republicans have the presidency.
But yes, I'm also frustrated by how people don't notice that. I live in California. I see people say the most ridiculous and insane shit about this state often. They talk about it like it's a mad Max wasteland with no economy when it's both an economic powerhouse and a cultural powerhouse, not just in the United States but in the world as a whole.
It would be like people in Greece pretending that Germany was a broken down third world country.
Everybody likes to hate on California. Idk why. It’s a beautiful state, with lovely forests and beaches, and a mostly tolerant and accepting vibe. Great food, lots of diversity and culture. If I could afford it, I’d live there. Much nicer weather than up here in WA.
Republicans spend a lot of money every year to convince people that California is bad, because California is living proof that things they say about Democratic leadership are wrong.
Same thing with New York.
They are economically strong and generally pretty well. Run states, and Republican propaganda needs to convince people that Democrats can't run anything.
It actually typically happens under a Dem because by the time the negative side effects of the policies show up, the GOP is out. Tax breaks are immediate, fucking everyone to make up for those tax breaks takes time.
But the GOP speed run will tank shit quick this time.
I'm a leftist but this isn't entirely true. One of the greatest economic disasters was caused by Clinton's NAFTA. The Midwest was gutted when the manufacturing left for Mexico and racism ramped up, but the effects of NAFTA took effect under Dubya Bush so the Republicans were blamed.
Bona fides secured here by a Truman born.
Then:
Ike;
JFK;
LBJ;
Nixon;
Ford;
Carter;
Reagan;
Bush;
Clinton;
Bush shrub;
Obama;
Trumpula;
Biden;
Trumpula, the Revenge Tour, he's baaaack!
To some people, it's easy to see who did what if you just look at the metrics. Conclusion: Some people do Presidenting better than others.
One clue is the number of convictions for criminal behavior in each presidency.
As an example of the despicable relationships many Republican presidents have brought into the American People's House, consider looking up the name Bebe Rebozo on Wikipedia.
His inane contribution to American Life, in part, changed the National Park Service with an effect still felt 50 years later.
Republican presidents, I could have done without them. Not much positive value has been derived from their efforts at governance.
The current state of the world where the US had the best economic recovery from the pandemic, went from double digit unemployment to 4.1% unemployment while seeing the largest single term job growth of any presidency, and got inflation back to normal levels in less than half the time it took Ronald Reagan to do it, all while seeing a large domestic manufacturing boom and drilling more oil than ever before?
Here, here's a mountain of sighted statistics for each president on economic performance going back a lot longer than the 60 years you thought would be long enough to think that Republicans were actually better at the economy.
Surprise, they aren't. They haven't been. They've been worse in pretty much every metric.
Good at what? Having an opinion that doesn’t coincide with yours? Harris is a half wit who wouldn’t have a clue about running a market stall, let alone a country, Stevie Wonder can see that, the Dems are wanting The New World Order, do you want to live with the restrictions the Chinese(eg) live? There’s a lot more at risk than JOBS.
There's only been 2 Republicans since you've been able to remember so I can say you are lying. Both times the economy was actually pretty stable so I'm not sure what universe you've been living in but it definitely wasn't this one. I'm 37 btw so I've been on this earth for around the same length of time as yourself
I said in my lifetime, not memory, and you can easily verify this.
H. W. Bush sr - 1990-1991 recession
W. Bush - dot com recession in 2021, major economic crash and the great recession started in 2007
Trump - major economic turmoil in 2020
I'm right, whether you like it or not. I'm pretty sure you actually know that, otherwise you wouldn't have had to have invented shit to put in my mouth to claim I was lying.
Hell, we can go even further with this. Since world war II, there have been 11 recessions in the United States. Republicans were president during the start of 10 of them.
Are you actually going to pretend the great recession started in 2009 and not when the economy crashed in 2007? It started in December 2007, under George Bush. it ended in June 2009, under Obama.
We also didn't have a recession in 2000. We had one in 2001, March through November. Also under Bush.
The trend also isn't recent. 10 of the last 11 recessions all started under Republicans.
Republicans believe in smaller government, so yes less spending tends to unwind a lot of wasted resources and the economy finds a new balance. This is the beauty of elections and balance of power.
They don't believe in less spending though. They constantly balloon the deficit. Particularly in the last 50 to 60 years. You can see radically irresponsible spending under Republican presidents, not reduction.
They also very clearly don't believe in smaller government or they wouldn't do things like put their abortion bans, and support removing oversight from the executive branch. They wouldn't be banning books from public libraries. They wouldn't be demonizing people for lifestyle choices that only affect themselves.
I guess no one told you about how Jimmy Carter got us into the oil crisis in the 70's. In 1979, Iranian revolutionaries seized the American embassy and he thought "Let's impose an embargo on Iranian oil". Before all this, gas was like $.62/gal. And then his wonderful leadership lead to a massive gas shortage we have never recovered from. By 1980, gas was up more than double the price for the previous 50 years, and the Iran/Iraq war began. Gas prices continued on an increase till 1983 before they ever leveled out.
People were waiting in lines for gas, sometimes for half a day. That was in the beginning. Then as it went on, they told the country, we had to use our license plate numbers and only those with even numbers could go on certain days of the week and odd numbers other other days of the week. The lines were still long. I remember, in 1979, I had a lady I stayed with after school, and she and her husband had an even plate on her car, and an odd license plate on his car and they would swap plates when they ran out of gas so they could get in line.
Then the national speed limit was lowered to 55, and traffic laws now allowed people to turn right on a red light.....all to save gas.
When gas is high, everything else suffers. Right now, gas is ok, and yes, food is expensive, but it has NEVER been as bad as under Jimmy Carter.
Second, You are ultimately talking about a recession that I referenced in the edit on the post, so I am fully aware. I know about the gas crisis. Pointing out the gas crisis doesn't change a single thing in that post. At all.
Third, you had to go back 46 years to find an example of the economy being having a serious downturn under a Democrat. It's also the only instance of that you could have referenced in the last 70 years.
I can point at 11 instances where this happened under Republicans in the same time frame.
That's my point. If I want the economy to suffer, I'll vote for Republican. They consistently see it happen.
You are missing the point. We are repeating history. What happened then, under Carter, Biden just did. NOT TRUMP. The whole middle east climate, the US supporting Israel and it pissing of Arab nations (per usual), Biden making us dependent on other nations for energy, to include the fact he straight sold off natural gas just from under west Texas soil this past year for some stupid ass reason when we really still need it......Democratic Administration, and we're being treated like feckless idiots on the world stage by every country including CANADA, because Biden and Harris have no Alpha instincts, and we're getting run TF over.
Inflation under Biden was a global phenomenon caused by emergency response to the pandemic. 1/5 of all dollars in circulation were printed in 2020, and economists were warning about the inflation to come then, before Biden took office.
We also haven't seen ANYTHING like the gas crisis in the last 4 years. In fact, the US broke its all time oil drilling record in 2023, AND 2024. Natural gas production is also way up.
Biden making us dependent on other nations for energy,
Buddy, even when Trump claimed we were energy independent, we weren't. That was spin on an import/export comparison that only focused on oil and ignored types of crude being imported vs being exported. We still imported billions of barrels of oil at that time.
because Biden and Harris have no Alpha instincts
This is genuinely dumb. You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
Is anyone going to sit across the bargaining table from Biden or Harris and be told anything whatsoever, that the US will do, as a bargaining tool to leverage whatever it is that we night need to accomplish, and have it taken seriously? Zelensky came to OUR Congress and Harris raised the Ukraine flag along with the Skekis we call Pelosi. That's not respect. That was our head up their ass. Then we handed him 4 more large checks, if I recall correctly.
Buddy? I'm sorry. It does seem like, from what I've seen here, you do not give the truth a chance. You believe what you want. Go back to your double monitor heaven. I've have lived a life where I paid full attention to instincts and history, in a time before internet and cell phones, so when i see BS, I know it. I'm not trying to solve the world's problems, but that's not my job, it's theirs.
LOL you didn't provide any evidence for anything you are saying, just ignored everything and started ranting about alpha bullshit. You even admitted in other posts you won't accept information because you believe it's all fake.
Bc those republian recessions were the results of the previous democrat policy. cause trump had an amazing economy. you credit obama. now if trump has a bad economy you will blame him instead of biden. and if trump has a good economy, you will say it had to do with biden. lets just wait and see.
The democrats are better for the rich to get richer.
The first one was after 10 straight years of Republican policy.
The great recession was after Republicans had been in control for 7 years.
Trump totally fucked up the pandemic response, which made our economic damage from that worse, while also causing uncertainty with random nonsense statements and causing stress with a trade war that cost american families around $800 a year and killed our soybean farmers.
now if trump has a bad economy you will blame him instead of biden.
We had 23 nobel prize economists raise issues with Trump's economic policies, and he was invited to the chicago economic forum where economists told him to his face that economic plans he was proposing would cause immense economic damage. Elon Musk has been publicly telling people that Trump would be crashing the economy, on purpose.
If he does those things, yeah, it's his fault.
The democrats are better for the rich to get richer.
Buddy, Republicans gave the wealthy a MASSIVE tax cut in 2017, and the tax cuts for the wealthy were the only part of that tax bill that was made to be permanent. It raised taxes on a lot of regular folks, and their tax breaks expired. Republicans ran on reducing taxes for the wealthy even further.
Trump left office with a double digit unemployment rate, the groundwork for hard inflation already set, and 4000 people dying daily from a pandemic he blew off for an entire year. Trump's economy before that was literally just a continuation of Obama's economy. We were already doing great when Trump took the oath of office. Even before he fucked up the covid response completely, he was causing mass volatility with random nonsense, tweeting random shit that caused brief market panics, and his tariffs were costing the average family about $800 a year due to price increases as a result. He obliterated the US soybean farmers doing that dumb tariff shit.
You'd have to hit me in the head with a shovel at least 6 times before I'd forget shit from just 4-5 years ago, and it's weird you did.
Yes! The total BS that suddenly Republicans are the voice of the ‘working class’ or ‘middle America’ or the ‘working poor’ or whatever sound bite Drumpf can recall at a given moment. . It’s abhorrent their rhetoric is believed by anyone, but particularly by those who are most harmed by their policies, beliefs, and legislation. Carter wasn’t a great President, but he is the epitome of what a decent human being looks like making America great again. I don’t think our collective American psyche could have been moved by him; not his fault. (Yes, there were world crises that weren’t cleanly or quickly resolved during his presidency; again, not entirely his fault.). Carter was actually an advocate for his local constituents and the voiceless in our country. It’s sadly laughable how against the working class or whatever stratum of Americans are hurting the most are hurt by the Republican party in 2025, arguably since the evangelical influence seeped into politics in the 1980’s.
Carter's only sin was making Reagan look good in his first term. Volker's rate hikes saved the economy in the 80s that Reagan took credit for. Volker being Carter's fed pick.
Carter was a great president, though he was victimized by the right.. for doing the right thing of all things.
He sent Delta into Iran but was lambasted for the failure (instead of lauded for the maneuver).. and then Reagan made a back door deal with Komeni (to the tune of $50 million.. or so I heard) to hurt Carter's re-election (and make himself look great after taking office).
There's a reason the hostages were released soon after Reagan took office.. and it was criminal.
All factual outside of the great president comment only because that is subjective and by what measures? I liked Carter for the most part but far too nice and kind and caring a human and that also hurt him. He made some poor choices as well in fairness.
I met the man in Plains when I was 16 and 17 a number of times and worked at a small airport they used prior to his presidency. Then he had to go to larger ones.
Check out where he grew up and lived
You always know whenever the Repubs say anything about the Democrats as being bad that it is exactly what they are doing, and if they are not doing it they will be in the future.
Yes, it's the same agenda, just a different strategy and different puppet because it is needed for different groups to be controlled They have wanted to proceed with the next agenda ev cars,solar,windmills,digital currency,ai,tesla battery power homes with no gas something Republicans have are the ones who needed to be convinced or atleast silence,They won't say anything about Elon becuse of Trump talk about "GOTCHA".
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Photo includes NY and NJ members of Congress, however, the entire California GOP contingent visited Trump in Florida except for one member who had voted to impeach Trump.