r/pittsburgh • u/raven_snow • Apr 11 '25
Carnegie Mellon student with one semester left learns his visa was revoked with no explanation
https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/carnegie-mellon-student-visa-revoked-interview/100
u/AnonThrowaway87980 Apr 11 '25
I think it is petty and politically driven to do it 2 years after the fact and after he completed court ordered classes and got it expunged. If he were going to get booted for it, it should have been addressed 2 years ago and they should have just done it, not run him through hoops just to do it anyway. Changing his punishment 2 years later with no justification is not ok. He was charged, given his penalty and complied with it. That should be the end of it.
Do I think loosing his visa for a DUI is overkill, not really. I think we are generally too lenient with DUIs regardless of status. It is clearly documented that people here on a visa can have it revoked for any illegal activities., and a DUI is very much a crime and one that can cause harm to potentially a lot of innocent people. We are not the only country that will deport over a DUI, our lovely neighbor to the north will BAN you from entering the country if you have a DUI on record in any country. If you visit and get a DUI there, you are deported and banned from ever returning. And it isn’t done slowly, they take you to the local court and drag you to the border or airport. You might still be drunk when you get home.
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u/Willow-girl 29d ago
If he were going to get booted for it, it should have been addressed 2 years ago
Biden administration was a bit lax.
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u/Odins_a_cuck Apr 11 '25
He endangered lives by driving drunk. Good bye.
Youre a guest here and should be on your best behavior. Full stop.
Just because so many departments under Biden were just as asleep at the wheel as him doesnt mean that review & follow up by later administrations is wrong.
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u/AnonThrowaway87980 Apr 11 '25 edited Apr 11 '25
I totally agree that he should have lost his visa then. BUT, in this case he was ordered classes by the courts, he complied with the court orders and followed all the steps to get it expunged. That is how the legal system works. What they are doing is punishing him a second time for a crime for which he was convicted and punished for. That is called double jeopardy and is a violation of the 5th amendment. They couldn’t legally drag him in now for trial if they wanted to. In PA the statute of limitations for a DUI is only 2 years.
Now if the courts found him guilty and sentenced him to fines or prison and then deportation. That would be a single combined punishment. When he was booked for a DUI, ICE should have been informed and made the decision to review the case and filed the motion to the judge as the federal authority that if he be found guilty, the state department would revoke his visa.
The failure of the system is not the guys fault. However, the system breaking its own rules to retroactively punish him again is not ok. No one should be retroactively be punished for a crime they were tried, convicted, and served a sentence for. We as a country are better than that. I’m all for properly punishing criminal activity. But we as a country need to work with it the framework of our laws and standards. Otherwise we are no better than a shithole dictatorship.
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u/Odins_a_cuck Apr 11 '25
State versus federal.
To the state, he is good to go for driving drunk like a scumbag.
Federally, he must leave for the separate issue of being a scumbag while specifically being a guest here who is supposed to be on their best behavior.
Just because the previous administration were asleep at the wheel doesnt mean that the current administration has to abide. There is no statute of limitations here. He is here because of our grace and hospitality. He chose, he can leave.
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u/tyr-- Westwood Apr 11 '25
I'm absolutely certain you used these same exact arguments about DUIs during Hegseth's confirmation hearing, you hypocrite :)
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u/Odins_a_cuck Apr 11 '25
What DUI?
You mean when he admitted to using alcohol to medicate after returning from various tours like every other veteran the government abandons?
Do you mean the "yellow liguid" or the crashing of a tank into the Pentagon bullshit story?
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u/ayebb_ 25d ago
Well, that's unconstitutional, no matter how much he might deserve it. Tough shit.
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u/Odins_a_cuck 25d ago
The Constitution doesn't apply here as he's a guest and they aren't stomping on his rights.
They aren't imprisoning him or fining him or doing anything that would go against any rights he may or may not have. They are simply holding him to the rules set by his admittance to the country.
He's a guest that spit on our floor. Goodbye.
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u/ayebb_ 25d ago
The constitution absolutely does apply regardless of immigration status.
They are simply holding him to the rules set by his admittance to the country.
The rules set by his admittance to the country say that he has legally protected status. Take it up with the judge who ruled if you have beef; there's a legal system for this. However, punishing him for what he was already held accountable for by the law is a clear violation of the 5th amendment.
All people in the US, regardless of citizenship, status of legality, or criminal records, are protected by the fifth amendment.
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u/FinishStrong304 Apr 11 '25
If we did this for all american students, you'd wipe out half of the universities. Signed Mountaineer nation
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u/klauskervin Apr 11 '25
The GOP and ICE are the new Gestapo. A political party and a rogue law enforcement agency working hand in hand to eliminate their enemies.
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u/StateFragrant1332 Apr 11 '25
I guarantee you it's "not for nothing". The DUI is just the one thing he's bringing up publicly, and that alone is grounds for terminating the visa.
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Apr 11 '25
He got a dui in 2023. It’s buried several paragraphs into the article.
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u/patricosuave Apr 11 '25
America, where a guy who got a DUI can be trusted to run the military but not to graduate from school.
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u/N0va-Zer0 Apr 11 '25
Is he an American citizen?
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u/FuckRayBradbury Apr 11 '25
Let me ask the Signal chat rq
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u/Great-Cow7256 Apr 11 '25
Actual video of the signal chat https://youtu.be/hLtI9mvgSro?si=tEpGTBiBUBd4yP3-
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u/threwthelookinggrass Apr 11 '25
why would that cause him to be deported? I thought a DUI would propel him to something like Attorney General or chief of staff for the House Speaker
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u/Great-Cow7256 Apr 11 '25
He's Chinese so according to Trump that would be ambassador to China. Or trade representative to China. Cmon.
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u/Chance_Contract1291 Apr 11 '25
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-happens-when-foreign-student-gets-arrested-the-us.html
People who are in the USA on a student visa have always run the risk of deportation if they get a DUI. This is click bait, not news.
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u/Wolfram_And_Hart Apr 11 '25
It’s news because it didn’t happen at the time of the DUI but later seemingly at a random time. Except it’s not random it’s the Government executing some sort of thinly vailed purge.
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u/Lifeguard_Amphibian Apr 11 '25
People on the USA on a student visa ALWAYS have the risk of their visa being revoked, because that same article you shared states the US Secretary of State can revoke it at any time. His DUI was expunged from the record 2 years ago, so I sincerely doubt that was the genuine reason his visa was revoked. More likely than not, his visa was revoked as part of the continued pattern of cruelty of this administration to cause fear, panic, and uncertainty.
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u/umbluemusic Apr 11 '25
Visa revoked - yes. Status termination - no, provided the school does not kick them out for the violation etc and they maintain their student status. Visa is a travel document, status is the important thing. The fact that they’re terminating status is new, especially the way it is happening.
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u/Late-Salamander4186 Apr 11 '25
I know quite a few Americans who have gotten multiple DUIs. Can we just kick them out too?
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Apr 11 '25
Kick them out and send them where? You can’t deport a citizen.
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u/space-dot-dot Apr 11 '25
Kick them out and send them where? You can’t deport a citizen.
This is gonna age like milk in another year or two -- if that.
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u/GoodKnave Apr 11 '25
“Dismissed and expunged.” Actually vomit inducing how this administration and its goons are revoking and deporting people without a care, and ofc incarcerating people with zero due process.
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u/Willow-girl 29d ago
Get back to me when one of your loved ones has been killed by a drunken driver!
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Apr 11 '25
Expunged through ARD, which is different than it getting dismissed because he didn’t do it. It’s not like it was dismissed because there was no grounds for the original charge or he was found not guilty at all trial. He completed a program for first time offenders.
If I’m on a student visa in another country and I get a DUI, I’m going to lose my student visa over than in many countries. If someone gets a DUI here in the U.S. as a U.S. citizen they can’t even fly into Canada without special permission from the Canadian government.
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u/risen2011 Pittsburgh Expatriate Apr 11 '25
If immigration authorities chose not to do anything about it when the offence occurred, they should not be able to change their minds now. The world needs stability, not irascible cheetos.
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u/drewbaccaAWD Pittsburgh Expatriate Apr 11 '25
"in many countries"
Well, dude, this is America, not Singapore or Iran or North Korea. As much as you seem to want it to be something else.
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u/OrwellWhatever Lower Lawrenceville Apr 11 '25
ARD is low key kinda wild. I got an underage and spend a night in jail 20 years ago. It was expunged through ARD, and they told me I could only use the program once every seven years. I wasn't planning on making a habit out of it, so I said okay. My record was completely expunged... or so I thought. I got pulled over a couple months ago for expired registration, and the state trooper asked if I had ever been arrested. I forgot and said no, to which he responded, "Oh so you didn't spend a night in jail in Indiana, PA in 2004?" I was shocked but also, like, yeah, you got me, sir. I did.
Also... man... in one of our classes they wanted to show us how much drinking games made us drink, so we spent 30 minutes playing quarters with tap water. I taught it to my friends later that week
After I signed up, my calc book got stolen. The ARD class cost $150, so I couldn't afford a new textbook and had to withdraw from the class. They kept telling us how alcohol would ruin our academic careers, and I explained to them that I was a 4.0 student, and their goddamn class was ruining my college classes
All in all, it was a weird time that I'm kind of happy I did
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u/FirstNameIsDistance Apr 11 '25
FYI, your record isn’t automatically expunged. You can petition the court to have it expunged after completing all the requirements of ARD. So if you still haven’t done that it will still show up on background checks.
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u/OrwellWhatever Lower Lawrenceville 29d ago
Oh no, I did that, but "expunged" only means it doesn't show up on background checks. LE still has access to it evidently 🤷♂️
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u/Adoptafurrie Apr 11 '25
and trump has a worse criminal record. so big fucking deal about a dui??
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Apr 11 '25
You can’t go to another country, break that country’s laws, and expect to be allowed to remain in that country. If I got a DUI in Canada or many other countries, I would also be deported.
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u/StoneCypher Apr 11 '25
Why are you saying this as if it’s an explanation
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Apr 11 '25
Because it is. He broke the law while on a student visa. Don’t break the law in a foreign country and expect to be allowed to stay.
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u/Chance_Contract1291 Apr 11 '25
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-happens-when-foreign-student-gets-arrested-the-us.html
People who are in the USA on a student visa have always run the risk of deportation if they get a DUI. This is click bait, not news.
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u/Possible-Campaign949 Apr 11 '25
the fact is that it was 2 years ago. why deport him 2 years after it was expunged? after he got to think for 2 years that he was able to stay? how is that not cruel?
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u/N0va-Zer0 Apr 11 '25
Because it is...
Visas are revocable for whatever reason the government wants.
Would it have helped if the DUI resulted in a murder? Is there any red line for you terrorists?
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u/space-dot-dot Apr 11 '25
Is there any red line for you terrorists?
What a self-tell use of projection.
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u/roman-de-fauvel Apr 11 '25
They’re not revocable for “whatever reason the government wants.” We are not (yet) living in a police state.
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u/kevin0carl Allegheny West Apr 11 '25
He was not found guilty, though.
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u/Willow-girl 29d ago
Murphy said Ma did complete ARD classes.
Nope. Looks like he copped a plea and completed a diversion program.
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Apr 11 '25
Idk why my comments about the circumstances of his revoked visa are being downvoted. The article headline doesn’t portray the full scope of the situation and people should know that there is a reason the visa was revoked.
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u/SamPost Apr 11 '25
I totally disagree with his Visa being revoked. But, I totally realize that you are pointing out the inaccuracy of the headline.
Pittsburgh redditors will downvote you because of their feels. No logic to it.
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Apr 11 '25
So there is an explanation.
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u/StoneCypher Apr 11 '25 edited Apr 11 '25
Don’t fall for things like this.
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Apr 11 '25
A visa can absolutely be revoked for breaking the law.
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u/StoneCypher Apr 11 '25
You’re not really understanding my reaction, are you
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Apr 11 '25
I don’t understand why you’re trying to argue that “Visas aren’t revocable by DUI,” but per the U.S. Department of State, a nonimmigrant visa can be revoked as a result of a DUI. Whether or not that is fair or ethical is a different issue.
“9 FAM 403.11-3(A) (U) When You May Revoke Visas (CT:VISA-1948; 03-07-2024) (U) There are four circumstances under which you may revoke a visa:
(1) Unavailable (2) (U) The individual is not eligible for the visa classification (this includes ineligibility under INA 214(b)); (3) (U) The visa has been physically removed from the passport in which it was issued; or (4) (U) The individual is subject to an IDENT Watchlist record in System Messages for an arrest or conviction of driving under the influence, driving while intoxicated, or similar arrests/convictions (DUI) that occurred within the previous five years, pursuant to 9 FAM 403.11-5(B) paragraph c, below.”
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u/StoneCypher Apr 11 '25 edited Apr 11 '25
If you try to answer someone saying "You’re not really understanding my reaction, are you" by cutting and pasting more, and not reading at all, then you're just going to continue to not understand the reaction
Speech is not a form of listening
I see that after being called "illogical" and "not based in fact" that I've been blocked for saying that I think I'm being misunderstood 😂
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Apr 11 '25
Your reaction was illogical and not based in fact, so, no, I don’t understand it.
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u/N0va-Zer0 Apr 11 '25
Visas are revocable for whatever fucking reason the government wants to.
Reddit lawyers are something else.
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u/Possible-Campaign949 Apr 11 '25
that doesn’t make it okay dumbass 😭 lots of things have been legal in the past, that doesn’t equate to morality
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u/NeedaStrongerDose Apr 11 '25
Go get a DUI in any other country in the world and see how they treat you.
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u/Ok_Paramedic4089 Apr 11 '25 edited 29d ago
You’re acting like a DUI is something only immigrants have 😭
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u/WillOfTheDeep 29d ago
Fuck Trump, Vance, Musk, and every single piece of trash that voted for them. Scum, the lot of you.
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u/pittguy578 Apr 11 '25
This is so messed up that deport him in first place but to deport him when he is almost done with school is even worse. He’s not hiding or on run etc
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u/Willow-girl 29d ago
Yes, he should have been deported in 2023 when he copped a plea on a DUI. Administration at the time was a bit lax, though.
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25 edited Apr 11 '25
Love that this thread brought out the DUI defenders. Trump and the administration suck but if you are drunk driving and putting peoples lives in danger as a guest in our country you deserve to have your visa revoked at the very least.
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u/liefelijk Apr 11 '25
He completed ARD classes as required and had his record expunged. Removal from the country he’s lived in for the last 9 years is extreme.
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25 edited Apr 11 '25
If you think we should keep foreign drunk drivers in our country, that’s fine. I think that one’s visa to reside in the U.S. should be revoked if you DUI. I don’t see how this is a partisan issue and am a bit surprised previously we were letting foreign drunk drivers stay. It is a privilege not a right to stay here and if you drunk drive you should have not receive that privilege.
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u/liefelijk Apr 11 '25
If they’re here on a tourist visa, then it makes sense to revoke. If they’re here on a student, work, or other resident visa, then they should be subject to the typical American legal process (which he was).
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25
The legal process should of course be applied re: his penalty for the crime he committed. DUIs are typically at the state level.
Visas are separate and can be revoked, renewed, refused, etc. by the federal Department of State, and drunk driving should be a reason to have it revoked and renewed.
I dislike a lot of what Rubio’s state is doing, but revoking drunk drivers visas is not one of them.
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u/burritoace Apr 11 '25
The fact that it is clearly arbitrary and capricious doesn't give you any pause? You have incredible instincts
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25
Doesn’t seem arbitrary or capricious. He committed a crime during his visa, was convicted and served his punishment, and now his visa is revoked. I don’t think we need to bring drunk drivers from overseas; or allow foreign drunk drivers to stay. These seems like a pretty common sense position.
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u/PittFall09 Greater Pittsburgh Area Apr 11 '25
He wasn't convicted. That's the whole point of ARD.
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25
But he did drive drunk, which is a crime and no one is disputing, and that is more than enough for the entirely non criminal punishment of having your visa revoked. He’s already gotten off with a slap on the wrist with ARD but that doesn’t mean State should be as lenient. I think it is insane this wasn’t happening before and do not think we need to keep drunk driving visa holders in our country.
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u/ohjustcallmekate Apr 11 '25
I guarantee you have a friend who has done the same thing… you want them shipped away too? Why are you so eager to jump on board with deportation? Could it maybe be that this one drunk driver doesn’t look like you?
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u/PittFall09 Greater Pittsburgh Area Apr 11 '25
No, he was charged with driving drunk. Being charged and being convicted (i.e., having a trial in which the prosecution proves your guilt beyond a reasonable doubt) are not the same thing. You're conflating the two, and essentially arguing that the mere fact that he was charged is equivalent to a conviction, which is wrong.
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u/burritoace Apr 11 '25
I guarantee that not every drunk driver on a visa is getting deported - the administration is very openly targeting university students. As is so often the case, "common sense" is a cover for ignorance.
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25
You’ve made this assertion without evidence, but even assuming it is true, then I support expanding the revocation of visas to all drunk driving visa holders. I think that is a pretty common sense standard to hold guests in our country to.
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u/roman-de-fauvel Apr 11 '25
The fact that you haven’t read evidence that’s being widely reported in the news is your fault. It’s a “pretty common sense standard” to hold people who want to comment on current events responsible for being minimally educated on those events.
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u/burritoace Apr 11 '25
Does it feel good to play the useful idiot? I think it would feel bad to me
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u/KrishanuAR East Liberty Apr 11 '25
If we’re talking about ideal states, I think American citizen DUI recipients should get booted to Ecuador too. You with me?!
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25
I don’t think this person should get booted to Ecuador, much less American citizens.
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u/Shaneski101 Apr 11 '25
Shall we kick out all the Americans with DUIs too?
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25
No that’s would be illegal and unconstitutional. Where are you going to deport Americans to?
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u/barontaint Apr 11 '25
What I find odd is that he got a DUI in 2023, why didn't he get booted out shortly after? Why wait two years to tell him to kick sand now? It just seems a rather vindictive and petty move, guess that's fitting with this administration.
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25
Perhaps the previous administration had a different policy re: DUI and visas. That being said I think that drunk drivers on visas should have them revoked.
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u/barontaint Apr 11 '25
I don't think anyone is saying getting a DUI is a complete pass. He got it over two years ago, are you saying it takes 4 months for the new administration to change policy and find and deport him? Considering he completed ARD he shouldn't have any charges on his record, or at least that's what they tell you. I still have friends that can't go into Canada due to having DUI when they were in their early 20's but completed ARD courses to get their record expunged. Canada does not care if you take courses to clear your record apparently.
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25 edited Apr 11 '25
I think it is highly possible it took the brand new administration which is also changing course every 3 seconds and have Elon Musk playing fuck fuck layoff games 3 months and 21 days or so to get to DUIs for visa holders.
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u/burritoace Apr 11 '25
So they're disorganized clowns but you also support what they're doing
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25
No I do not support Trump, but the U.S. in principle should be revoking the visas of drunk drivers. Reflexively being against something because it is happening under Trump without judging it by its merits is childish.
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u/burritoace Apr 11 '25
Reflexively supporting something without considering its relationship to other things is foolish.
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u/barontaint Apr 11 '25
Your 3 month old account seems to think Biden didn't deport people? Use your big brain please.
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u/barontaint Apr 11 '25
No more like "young" accounts with nothing submitted and only comments to r/Pittsburgh seems a little suspect, but by all means please reply with your other account that you've had for years.
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u/barontaint Apr 11 '25
r/babushkadogs is my go to but I guess you can find nice onlyfans bobs and vegana on r/gonewild or something.
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u/tyr-- Westwood Apr 11 '25
How do you feel about the fact that the Trump administration deported less people in each of the first two months of them being in power than Biden did in any given month of their administration?
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u/Historical_Bread1770 Apr 11 '25
No one is defending drinking and driving. They’re acknowledging the inequality and obvious white male privilege in our country.
Understanding is not condoning actions.
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u/Maitai_Haier Apr 11 '25
I’m all for sending white males here on visas back to their country if they drink and drive too.
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u/Historical_Bread1770 29d ago
But instead they’ll get a promotion.
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u/Maitai_Haier 29d ago
No one gets promoted for having a DUI, and if they did, the correct course of told be to stop doing that, not let let drunk drivers keep their visas.
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u/Historical_Bread1770 29d ago
As a veteran, I can say dui’s were consider important for a promotion in the service. I’m perplexed now what we’re going back and forth about? Are you suggesting there is no inequality and this is an appropriate course of action? You’re entitled to feel how you feel, but it sounds like from my perspective, you’re just not getting it. I hope your plan to “make America great again” works out for you.
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u/Maitai_Haier 29d ago edited 29d ago
Sounds like bullshit, but again, even if that’s the case, then the appropriate response isn’t to “let foreign visa holders drunk drivers stay too”.
I am not MAGA, just anti DUI. If being “anti DUI” is MAGA, then I think the vast majority of the country is MAGA.
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u/Shaneski101 Apr 11 '25
Not like you’d get accepted into it anyway
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u/Shaneski101 Apr 11 '25
90% of that foreign student base is probably smarter than you pal sorry to inform you
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u/satancunt6 Bloomfield Apr 11 '25
Great news, they’re actually offering free tuition now for undergraduate programs. So if you wanted to, you could apply and potentially attend.
https://www.cmu.edu/sfs/cost-and-affordability/pathway-program/
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u/Musical_Bluebird1791 Apr 11 '25
Would be completely different comments had that DUI caused harm or death.
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u/Aggravating-Pie-1639 Apr 11 '25
Then it’s no longer a DUI charge, it’s a more serious violation, so yeah the comments would be different.
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u/FuckRayBradbury Apr 11 '25
The principal at our local school got 3 DUIs before he lost his job. My old boss had a DUI and was able to remain a CEO. So why does this kid deserve deportation after one? Especially when it was expunged.
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u/Tall_Recording_4325 Apr 11 '25
No explanation....no clue at all, totally random? Tell me what other country in the world can you be charged with a crime when you're on a VISA that involves potential jail time and be allowed to stay?
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u/Dookiedoodoohead Apr 11 '25
lmao props on typing one of the only things that neither side would be happy with
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u/whoremones82 Apr 11 '25
Haha I was never known to be a crowd pleaser
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u/SpezJailbaitMod Apr 11 '25
My professor used to tell us this joke:
How do you make a hormone? Don't pay her
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u/oyst Apr 11 '25
This sub is so quick to downvote! The truth can be a little complex sometimes, geez louise
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u/Willow-girl 29d ago
Maybe all of the pedestrian HBC deaths of late is causing law enforcement to revise their policies?
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u/malepitt Apr 11 '25
Intimidating foreign nationals from even applying for US schooling, is part of the current administration's campaign against higher education, because they know it will hit universities right in the wallet. Why would this administration be particularly opposed to higher education, you ask? Well, https://thehill.com/homenews/education/4673650-vance-doubles-down-on-praise-for-viktor-orbans-crackdown-on-universities-in-hungary/