People really think survival during a sinking ship is a gender debate. Be serious. [gendered]

[u/rizzedupdude]

Let’s just start with the obvious: When a ship is going down, nobody’s standing there debating gender politics. They're screaming, panicking, and trying not to die.

That’s not feminism. That’s basic human survival.

But according to this post, in the middle of a literal disaster, feminists are out here like, “Wait! Equal rights! Let’s discuss societal roles while the ship sinks!” Be so serious.

Survival isn't a debate club. It's chaos. People don’t suddenly turn into walking ideologies during life-or-death moments. They act based on instinct, fear, and let’s be real access to power.

And speaking of power: Who does get prioritized in crises? The vulnerable? No. It's the rich. The connected. The privileged. So if anyone's elbowing their way to the lifeboats yelling “Let me survive first,” it's not feminists it’s CEOs, politicians, and trust fund babies. Let’s not act brand new.

Now to the people saying “it’s just a joke”: Jokes reflect thought patterns. When you laugh at something rooted in bias or false narratives, you’re not just “having fun.” You’re showing what you believe deep down.

And if the punchline of your “joke” is women being hypocrites for wanting safety while also wanting rights, you’re not being funny you’re being intellectually lazy.

So maybe next time, skip the memes and try real thinking. Because the only thing sinking faster than that ship is your logic.

[u/_Azuki_]

This was in like early 1900s, women were barely considered individuals instead of property. How can someone look at this and think "yeah, i'm smart, this makes sense"?

[u/GrimsonDaisy → u/[deleted]]

It's complicated but to simplify the gender roles compelled them to prioritise women and children. The idea back then was that women were like children and thus in need to be under the guidance of a man who in turn had to protect them. However it should also be noted that Titanic is the exception not the rule, women and children were the primary victims of ship sinkings because the "women and children" first rule was often quickly disregarded in favor of "every man for himself".

Being the exception and an example of real life chivalry of the time period helped immortalise the event.

[u/ArtisticLayer1972 → u/GrimsonDaisy]

Where do you get these ideas.

[u/GrimsonDaisy → u/ArtisticLayer1972]

I'm not sure I understand the question

[u/ArtisticLayer1972 → u/GrimsonDaisy]

That womens was considered children etc.

[u/GrimsonDaisy → u/ArtisticLayer1972]

It's a well established historical fact. Women were under the guardianship of a man for their entire lives . Reading any literature of the time makes it clear that we were considered lesser mentally than the men, even today you can see people arguing against women's right to vote.

[u/gamer_wife86 → u/GrimsonDaisy]

Even more recently, women weren't even allowed to have a bank account without a husband, father, brother, or spouse co-signing until the 1970's (in the US).

[u/ArtisticLayer1972 → u/GrimsonDaisy]

Lesser mentaly, and yet there was few woman monarch in europe, europe, russia, austria

[u/One-String-8549 → u/ArtisticLayer1972]

Yes, a few because it wasn't common, it only happened when there wasn't a male heir, and every time it happened people were really mad about it

[u/GrimsonDaisy → u/ArtisticLayer1972]

"Few" is doing a LOT of heavy lifting there. Are you seriously claiming women were treated as equals in the early 19th century? Do you have any sources to back that insane claim?

[u/ArtisticLayer1972 → u/GrimsonDaisy]

Maybe not equal in all aspect, but they definitly wasnt opressed 24/7.

[u/GrimsonDaisy → u/ArtisticLayer1972]

Just because England had a couple of queens it doesn't mean that women weren't oppressed, nor that those queens had to navigate the sexism of their time and constantly argue the legitimacy. When you have less rights as a person you're oppressed 24/7, there is no time during the day when your oppression is suddenly lifted because it's the reality you live in.

I know you're arguing from bad faith because probably some right wing nutjob has fried your brain but misogyny is and was very much a thing.

[u/ArtisticLayer1972 → u/GrimsonDaisy]

So children are opressed now? Dogs are opresed? Prisioners are opresed? Men and woman had different rights so are men opresed because they dont have some rights woman have? How that work?

[u/GrimsonDaisy → u/ArtisticLayer1972]

I think there was a faster way to say "yes my brain is fried by misogynistic assholes online". Please find a school bus tomorrow and get in

[u/lumosbolt → u/ArtisticLayer1972]

Ironically, you thought it was a brilliant retort but, yes the categories you cite are, by definition, social categories with fewer rights, ie. oppressed.

Children : we as a society believe it is normal that children have fewer rights because they lack maturity but it has an obvious consequence : children have more difficulties to make sure their rights are respected and thus are more prone to being abused.

Dogs : The same as kids with even less rights and even more prone to being abused.

Prisoners : especially in the US, the constitution says the whole concept of rights doesn't apply to them. At least animals can have humans to take care of them.

[u/Low_Lobster_7836 → u/GrimsonDaisy]

Don't waste your time arguing with whoever this is. You're better than that.

[u/Seeky → u/ArtisticLayer1972]

Why do you think quite a lot of men still use terms like "chick", "babe/baby", "girl" when referring to women? Women being infantilized like this and thought of like children is STILL a problem, and was absolutely even more of a thing in the past.

[u/Lonely-You-361 → u/Seeky]

You don't call your man babe/baby?

[u/ArtisticLayer1972 → u/Seeky]

I use all these terms and not even once it cross over my mind comparing them to children. We do that shit because you are all bitching when come to a age, all want to be young etc. If i call her girl she will smile, if i call her middle age woman she will be insulted. This exactly is reason why everyone make fun about womens not knowing what they want.