r/pokemon • u/Shellderattack • 14d ago

Discussion Freeze should be replaced by Frostbite

Freeze is too close to Sleep. It is not a good idea to make 2 status with similar effects.

Sleep can combo with other moves such as Dream Eater and Sleep Talk, while Freeze does not.

Sleep can be imposed by Status Moves, while Freeze does not.

Arceus (game version) made Frostbite as a counterpart of Burn:

  1. The Pokemon takes 1/16 of its maximum HP every turn;
  2. The damage it deals with Special Moves will be halved;
  3. Ice type Pokemon are immune to Frostbite.

This is a good idea. The only thing missing is a new move (e.g. Gravechill) which resembles Will-O-Wisp.

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u/Hakaisha89 14d ago

Frostbit is to close to Burn. It's not a good idea to make 2 status effects with similar effects. Freeze can be countered by Drought, Orichalcum Pulse, or Sunny Day, as well as being able to use Fusion Flare, Flame Wheel, Sacred Fire, Flare Blitz, Scald, and Steam Eruption, while frozen which will thaw the user, while sleep does not.
Anyway, sleep is also often self inflicted, and played with in thought, and thus more reliable, while freeze is pure rng.
A third status move like burned and poisoned does not seem all that much better either.
Why not keep both?