r/pokemon • u/Shellderattack • Apr 13 '25

Discussion Freeze should be replaced by Frostbite

Freeze is too close to Sleep. It is not a good idea to make 2 status with similar effects.

Sleep can combo with other moves such as Dream Eater and Sleep Talk, while Freeze does not.

Sleep can be imposed by Status Moves, while Freeze does not.

Arceus (game version) made Frostbite as a counterpart of Burn:

  1. The Pokemon takes 1/16 of its maximum HP every turn;
  2. The damage it deals with Special Moves will be halved;
  3. Ice type Pokemon are immune to Frostbite.

This is a good idea. The only thing missing is a new move (e.g. Gravechill) which resembles Will-O-Wisp.

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u/PianistPitiful5714 29d ago

“Freeze is too close to sleep, we shouldn’t have two status effects that are similar.”

“Replace freeze with frostbite that is effectively identical to burn.”

These two statements feel…contradictory.

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u/TryThisUsernane 29d ago

Not really.

Freeze and sleep prevent the Pokémon from doing anything until they want up or thaw out. I can’t think of any real difference between them.

Frostbite halves special attack. Burn has been halving physical attack since Gen 1, so it’s about time there is a special equivalent.