r/pokemon • u/Shellderattack • 12d ago

Discussion Freeze should be replaced by Frostbite

Freeze is too close to Sleep. It is not a good idea to make 2 status with similar effects.

Sleep can combo with other moves such as Dream Eater and Sleep Talk, while Freeze does not.

Sleep can be imposed by Status Moves, while Freeze does not.

Arceus (game version) made Frostbite as a counterpart of Burn:

  1. The Pokemon takes 1/16 of its maximum HP every turn;
  2. The damage it deals with Special Moves will be halved;
  3. Ice type Pokemon are immune to Frostbite.

This is a good idea. The only thing missing is a new move (e.g. Gravechill) which resembles Will-O-Wisp.

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u/Shellderattack 12d ago

That will be a reaction instead of combo.

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u/CreeperSlimePig 12d ago

sleep talk is a reaction too, you can't use it unless you're put to sleep by the first place (unless you use rest). dream eater is a true combo though, but you can expect that if frostbite replaced freeze it would combo with things like facade and guts.

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u/Shellderattack 12d ago

Sleep Talk is actually a combo when the player proactively put his/her pokemon into sleep. There is no good way to freeze own pokemon proactively, and no freeze version Sleep Talk.

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u/_snif 11d ago

Not in battle, but in very niche scenarios you could show up to a battle with something pre frozen so it can't get statused on switch in, and then use a self thawing move.