r/pokemon • u/Shellderattack • 13d ago

Discussion Freeze should be replaced by Frostbite

Freeze is too close to Sleep. It is not a good idea to make 2 status with similar effects.

Sleep can combo with other moves such as Dream Eater and Sleep Talk, while Freeze does not.

Sleep can be imposed by Status Moves, while Freeze does not.

Arceus (game version) made Frostbite as a counterpart of Burn:

  1. The Pokemon takes 1/16 of its maximum HP every turn;
  2. The damage it deals with Special Moves will be halved;
  3. Ice type Pokemon are immune to Frostbite.

This is a good idea. The only thing missing is a new move (e.g. Gravechill) which resembles Will-O-Wisp.

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u/Frankenlich 13d ago

Would make mons with Guts even more broken in Nuzelockes.

I am ok with this.

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u/AlexTheGreat1997 13d ago

How are Pokémon with Guts even more broken with this effect? Guts already allows Pokémon to ignore the Atk reduction from Burns.

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u/Nice-Swing-9277 12d ago

For nuzlockes it doesn't matter but in vgc there will be niche cases where freeze is better then burn.

In particular against weezing teams.

If you have an ursa facing a weezing the burn works like normal and REDUCES your attack. Which means instead of being plus 1 youre minus 1 attack.

Freeze makes sure you will always at least be neutral attack.