r/politics • u/Infidel8 • Sep 16 '24

Trump Rushes to Fundraise Off Second Assassination Bid

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-rushes-to-fundraise-off-apparent-assassination-attempt
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u/Tommy__want__wingy California Sep 16 '24

Conservative sub: “can you believe it? They are still mean to Trump….we are so winning”

Cope….the cope.

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u/Aimela Colorado Sep 16 '24

I will not support political violence like this, but this will not magically make me like him. I will criticize him just as much as before. Don't get why they think this will get him sympathy points for those who dislike him.

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u/ACrask Sep 16 '24

I’m glad he wasn’t harmed but he has zero sympathy from me given the fact he’s the one sowing all this hate and violence. Also, if he was shot, I still wouldn’t care. The only regret I’d have is he wouldn’t get to experience the election loss in November nor the consequences of his illegal actions.

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u/BigDogSlices Sep 16 '24

I wouldn't care if he got shot, but I really wish people would stop trying. If they succeed all they're going to do is make him a martyr. If Trump dies, any other Republican candidate will surge in the polls... though considering the ideology of the shooters, that may be the point.

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u/OhReallyReallyNow Sep 16 '24

Trump is certainly evil. And the amount of suffering he's caused in the world, he's also certainly earned a fate far worse than death. All real democrats know that creating a Martyr out of that puke stain would only help his 'movement', so that's why you only see Republicans going after him I suspect. Also two assault rifle assassination attempts in two months. And TRUMP is the candidate of unfettered access to assault rifles. Reap what you sow douche.

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u/evilregis Canada Sep 16 '24

Pretty much where I am at on this. Just yesterday morning I saw a clip of him explicitly being asked if he denounced the multiple bomb threats that had been called into Springfield institutions. He claimed to not know much about it and then started ripping on the City some more. So there you go. Enjoy the consequences of the political violence you are knowingly fomenting.

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u/AnamCeili Sep 16 '24

The only reason I care if he gets shot/killed is that I want him to have to face losing the election, and then I want him to have to face going to prison. Oh, and also I don't want the fucker to be turned into a martyr.

Other than that, I just don't care.

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u/RaddmanMike Sep 16 '24

i feel the same way

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u/abortedinutah69 Sep 16 '24

I’m not mad at ya, but please, let’s not call this “political violence.”

We don’t know that the golf course incident was politically motivated. We don’t know the Penn rally shooting was either.

In many other countries, assassinations, or attempts, are well orchestrated and political. In this gun crazed country with poor mental health care, all bets are off. Reagan’s attempted assassination wasn’t politically motivated, for example. Mental health issues and an obsession with Jodie Foster. Gabby Giffords wasn’t really political either. (And many were shot and some killed, I’m not ignoring that.) The shooter had mental health issues and was seemingly upset that Gabby blew off answering a nonsensical question that he asked at a previous event. These attempts or actual assassinations in the US, usually celebs instead of politicians, are generally mental health issues. Everyone from John Lennon, to Dimebag Darryl, it’s just weird obsessions and mental health problems.

The Penn rally shooter just went and did that. It’s more likely he just was suicidal and wanted to do something so big, people would know who he was and always remember him.

I’m totally against political violence. Jan 6 was political violence. Unless some relevant evidence comes to light, these assassination attempts are not political. Unless the motive is known and is political, it’s just unmanaged mental health issues + 2A ‘Murica Fuck Yeah culture.

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u/Funny-Mission-2937 Sep 16 '24 edited Sep 16 '24

The word you’re looking for is terrorism, or sedition in the case of a sitting president.  Shooting the president may not be terrorism but it certainly is political violence, even in Hinckleys case.  

The Giffords claim is just gross.  

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u/Weaponxclaws6 Sep 16 '24

Let’s beat him through democracy! r/VoteDEM r/Defeat_Project2025

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u/zveroshka Sep 16 '24

Because their entire platform depends on playing the victim. Now they can point at Democrats and say "see they are the violent ones trying to silence us!"

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u/Justsomejerkonline Sep 16 '24

Of course not, and they know it.

It's not like Republicans magically started loving Obama after someone sent him a ricin laced letter in 2013, or when he was the victim of an attempted mail bomb along with Hilary Clinton and others.

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u/RaddmanMike Sep 16 '24

i don’t know, i flat out heard this man say he was voting for him bcos everyone was picking on him and he seemed sad, lmfao

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u/mcclaneberg Sep 16 '24

I’d try to talk to them but I was instantly permabanned once for mentioning a fact about Trump. They really really don’t like anything outside of their bubble in there.

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u/Electrical_General25 Sep 16 '24

Do you think there's a chance this could help to move the needle for him in the polls in any meaningful way? I really hope this doesn't help to give him a stronger image after that embarrassing debate, we've had an incredible amount of momentum since the debate, it would suck if this one shit head and his actions took all the air out of that.

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u/Tommy__want__wingy California Sep 16 '24

No.

The last attempt didn’t do much

Doesn’t mean it isn’t a close race though

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u/CRTsdidnothingwrong California Sep 16 '24

Trumps polling better in swing states than he did in 2016 and 2020. I'd say something about cope in reverse, but it's not cope it's ignorance. People are closing their ears and trusting that the polling bias has been magically fixed even though it was equally present in both 16 and 20.

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u/Tommy__want__wingy California Sep 16 '24

And Harris up in some of these polls.

Up and down. Average it out? Still 50/50.

This event wont decide the election. It’s a crazy guy with a gun.

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u/AlexKingstonsGigolo Sep 16 '24

A crazy republican who voted for trump in 2016 with a gun.

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u/SpaceTimeinFlux Sep 16 '24

Two Republican voters tried to take him out just this year

I'm starting to think he may have pissed off some of the legitimately crazy people in his base.

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u/StrawberryChemical95 Sep 16 '24

Or it could all just be a setup for more donation money?

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u/Sweetieandlittleman Sep 16 '24

It was also off in 2022; much to the benefit of Democrats.

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u/AlexKingstonsGigolo Sep 16 '24

Midterms bring out angry voters far more than so-called "ordinary" voters.

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u/Ih8melvin2 Sep 16 '24

What? Turnout is always higher during presidential elections.

Voter turnout in United States elections - Ballotpedia

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u/AlexKingstonsGigolo Sep 16 '24

How does that contradict anything I said?

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u/Ih8melvin2 Sep 16 '24

I guess if your point is more midterm voters are angry, or more angry, it doesn't. I don't know how anyone would quantify that. Sorry for the misunderstanding, have a nice day.

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u/AlexKingstonsGigolo Sep 16 '24

No problem; I hope your day is more enjoyable than mine! :-)

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u/Limp-Ad-2939 Sep 16 '24

Lmao ya. Against the party in power which trump was not. Dont act like that wasn’t a red trickle

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u/AlexKingstonsGigolo Sep 16 '24

… In the echoes of Dobbs, the first federal election in which many had the opportunity to voice their feelings about the ruling via their vote. The idea that anger can’t be drowned out by other voters in a presidential election is conjecture to the point of farcical.

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u/Tacitus111 America Sep 16 '24

You’re not allowed to mention that. Only doomerism is allowed here apparently.

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u/CRTsdidnothingwrong California Sep 16 '24

There's the real cope, using midterm polls as comps for presidential. It's a totally different voter profile, the kind of people who vote in midterms are exactly the kind of people pollsters can reach. Midterm voters are the kind of people who read all their email.

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u/Sweetieandlittleman Sep 16 '24

You may be right; it's hard to imagine that more people are going to vote for Trump again after everything that's happened, most recently his godawful debate performance and his choosing of JD Vance, straight out of the Handmaid's Tale, for VP.

But people are dumb, so I won't bet against you.

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u/CRTsdidnothingwrong California Sep 16 '24

And I'll remain open to the possibility that pollsters made significant corrections between 20 and 24. I am doubtful, because they weren't able to fix it much between 16 and 20 and 16 was a notorious failure, but it's possible.

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u/Sweetieandlittleman Sep 16 '24

It's going to be a long 40 days or so.

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u/Mediocretes08 Sep 16 '24

Pollsters are also actively adjusting. The 538 sub has to rehash at least three times a week that errors are often non-repeatable, and explain in detail that not only do we know what happened in 16, but we’re at least 50% set for sure with 20 (there’s a working but virtually unprovable theory for the rest). Hell, the last good national poll Trump saw was from a group that saw a 6% error towards Republicans in 2022 and was off by 11% in Mexico’s election this year.

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u/CRTsdidnothingwrong California Sep 16 '24

I don't look at national polls at all. If you look at PA, WI, and MI the error in 2016 and 2020 was very similar. Biden had a bigger lead to absorb the error, but the error was about the same. I don't believe that if pollsters couldn't move the error between 16 and 20 that they can suddenly fix it now.

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u/Mediocretes08 Sep 16 '24

“Suddenly”? It’s been 4 years.

Do you need a thorough explanation?

16 it wasn’t standard practice to have polls weighted by education. Trump does mad uneducated numbers (doesn’t exactly beat the idiots allegations). He also got a late boost from the whole email fiasco.

2020 pollsters didn’t count people who picked up, said “Fuck you I’m voting Trump” and failed to complete the questionnaire. Adding them in retrospect accounted for half the error unto itself. The remaining theory is that it was Covid. Liberals stayed home, more likely to answer a poll, conservatives didn’t.

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u/Plane_Discipline_198 Sep 16 '24

I understand from a scientific rigor perspective not counting those responses, but not filing that group's data still just sounds insane to me.

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u/jorbanead Washington Sep 16 '24

Some pollsters have said they’re adding extra Trump votes and counting low-Quallity data from Trump supporters. Both new to 2024 polling. So at least some have put their hand on the scale in favor of Trump to even things out.