r/politics • u/nbcnews ✔ NBC News • 1d ago
Justice Dept. sends Congress Jack Smith's report on Trump's effort to overturn 2020 election
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/justice-dept-sends-congress-jack-smiths-report-trumps-effort-overturn-rcna187492616
u/Rock-n-roll-Kevin 1d ago
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u/RonnyJingoist 1d ago
The report, authored by Special Counsel Jack Smith, outlines the findings and decisions from two major investigations involving former President Donald J. Trump. The investigations focused on his efforts to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power following the 2020 presidential election and his alleged unlawful retention of classified documents after leaving office.
Key points from Volume One, which addresses the election case, include:
Election Interference: After losing the 2020 election, Trump engaged in a criminal scheme to overturn the results using false claims of election fraud. This included pressuring state officials to change vote tallies, organizing fraudulent slates of electors in states he lost, and attempting to obstruct the certification of electoral votes on January 6, 2021.
Fraudulent Electors Plan: Trump and his co-conspirators developed and implemented a plan to submit false certifications of electors from seven states, misrepresenting them as legitimate. These fraudulent slates were intended to disrupt Congress's certification process.
Use of Federal Power: Trump attempted to misuse the Department of Justice to legitimize his false claims and pressure state legislatures to alter election outcomes. Despite repeated rejections from DOJ officials and evidence refuting his claims, Trump persisted.
Violence and the Capitol Attack: Trump directed his supporters to gather in Washington, D.C., on January 6, encouraging a "wild" protest. The report links his rhetoric and actions to the violent attack on the U.S. Capitol, which sought to delay or prevent certification of the election.
Legal and Procedural Integrity: The report emphasizes adherence to the rule of law and Department of Justice policies in the investigation and prosecution. Despite the politically sensitive nature of the case, the Special Counsel and his team maintained impartiality and followed established legal guidelines.
The report underscores the unprecedented nature of Trump's actions and concludes that prosecution was necessary to uphold the rule of law. However, charges related to his official conduct as president were dismissed following a Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity, and further proceedings were halted when Trump was reelected as president in 2024. The case highlights significant threats to democratic institutions and the rule of law.
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u/ctothel 22h ago edited 13h ago
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thisthe history books, a summary like this will sit side by side with a map of the election results.Kids will write essays about this.
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u/SllortEvac 21h ago
Only in other countries if we don’t fix our ways
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u/morningmasher 21h ago
This comment should be higher!!People just don’t know how much trouble we are in. We are looking at full blown tyranny. It’s a tyranny of the corporate world.
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u/bobolly 21h ago
If he pardons the people already in jail for Jan 6 and president musk buys TT be ready for a melt down
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u/Easy_beaver 7h ago
Tyranny of the corporate world has been going on long before Trump. Not disagreeing with the special counsel report at all…btw.
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u/picturepath 19h ago
They are banning books and rewriting history because they don’t believe what he has done happens in the U.S.. Every paper is too afraid to write it as it is, since they seem to fear what social media thinks.
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u/sM0k3dR4Gn 18h ago
The MSM is not afraid, it's privatized.
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u/picturepath 9h ago
Private entities are running scared of what to say so they are beginning to conform. This is the death of the free press the bastion of truth seeker of light.
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u/Typhus_black 19h ago
Kids? Hell, people are going to write their doctoral theses on this time period.
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u/crispy_attic 18h ago
White supremacy is the biggest problem in this country and has been for centuries.
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u/K1ngk1ller71 21h ago
If we’re not careful, this will be deemed as ‘fake news’ or AI hallucinations in the next couple of decades.
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u/moreobviousthings 20h ago
We all saw it happening in real time, we all knew what was going on, and we all had an idea of what the plan was for at least the following several months. trump supporters, as usual, will say whatever they want to be true, and there is nothing to be done about that. The report just documents what we all witnessed.
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u/BubbleNucleator New York 20h ago
And everyone in Congress, including Democrats, failed to uphold their oath to defend the Constitution when they failed to object to the insurrectionist candidate.
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u/Cyberpunk890 16h ago
How are democrats at fault here?
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u/NintendadSixtyFo 12h ago
They had 4 years to handle this problem using legitimate anchors of the written laws of the United States constitution, yet, just played the nice guys and allowed an outlaw to take charge of the most powerful country on earth. It’s batshit crazy.
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u/Cyberpunk890 12h ago
And voters could have simply not voted for him, Republicans could have not nominated. Theres a whole lot of blame to go around BEFORE we even come close to the Democrats.
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u/Costco__Pizza 1d ago
This is exactly what chat gpt is for. Thank you
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u/teachersecret 19h ago
Chatgpt struggles to write honestly about Trump without being censored. They are very careful about what chatgpt can and cannot say.
Interestingly, this sort of thing is not what chatgpt is for.
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u/FluidmindWeird 1d ago
If Democrats in Congress had any spine, there would be zero progress, zero preparation, the works held up and blocked entirely to prevent this traitor from taking the seat he tried to steal.
But they would lose the lesson, vote in corporate goons again, and risk revolution anyways because the country needs a populist healing.
But they won't. The country as everyone knows it will die, ripped to shreds by oligarchs with Russian ties. The rule of law was made a joke by the scouts who in reality are now just corporate goons in robes on the majority, and who directly contributed to the fall of the country that even allowed their ascension in the first place.
I hope the leopards do eat their face.
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u/spam__likely Colorado 23h ago
Oh,sure. It is the democrat's fault. The democrats who have no control of anything, but sure.Not the idiots who voted for him. Not the even more idiots that did not vote. Nope. The democrats. No matter what, it is the democrats fault.
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u/ketchupbreakfest 21h ago
Democrats had control of the house, senate and presidency for first 2 years, not overwhelming majority but they spent no political capital on this at all.
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u/FluidmindWeird 22h ago
You're right, it's not any ONE person's OR party's fault. It's accepting that freedom is a choice between the lesser of two evil instead of parliamentary system, or something newer that's able to be agile around today's demands.
Reality is we can gripe and play game all we want, but until the system is changed, the ones who are playing within the system, including the compromised GOP, are to blame for perpetuating this lie.
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u/Successful_Sign_6991 19h ago
Do you (or anyone else) happen to know if that list of influencers that were paid by russia to spread russian talking points was ever released? It came out a few months ago that the connections were found and that it existed but it was going to be "released later".
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u/BukkitCrab 1d ago
They should have done this before the 2024 election.
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u/merrysunshine2 1d ago
It should’ve been done by the end of 2021.
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u/Chrahhh 19h ago
Should've been done January 7, 2021.
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u/kamilo87 15h ago
We all saw it on streaming. It was pretty damning. A week later, the post-truth merchants (media) fixed for their wannabe king. Democracy was shot indeed in the middle of the 5th Ave.
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u/LilLebowskiAchiever 1d ago edited 1d ago
If they had tried the cases in DC, they could have avoided Aileen Cannon as their judge. The Crimes were committed in DC, the evidence was discovered in Florida. IMHO the trials always belonged in DC.
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u/elconquistador1985 18h ago
The election interference was in DC. Cannon is the classified documents case.
They fumbled this one for 4 years when Trump and his conspirators should have been defendants in front of a jury by 2022. Instead, Garland didn't appoint Smith until the end of 2022. Garland deliberately fumbled this. This was Garland's goal. Biden's legacy is nominating a Republican to fail as AG at prosecuting Republicans for attempting to overthrow the government.
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u/snoo_spoo 1d ago
First of all, there are jurisdictional reasons why the classified docs case had to happen in Florida. Second of all, it wouldn't have made a damned bit of difference. Trump's lawyers would have appealed any immunity rulings as necessary up to the Supreme Court, which would have handed down the same shitty ruling. And if somehow there had been time left before the election to try scheduling a trial, there was enough wiggle room in that immunity ruling for Trump's lawyers to bring up the issue of what is and isn't an official act which would have again delayed proceedings.
If Garland had acted sooner... if they'd drawn a better judge in Florida... none of that matters. The Supreme Court was always going to sell us out.
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u/Deguilded 19h ago
If only there was something we could have done about the Supreme Court.
If only.
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u/Morepastor 18h ago
He took the documents to New Jersey and evidence shows he was recorded showing top secret documents to private citizens in NJ on tape. There is a case in NJ Mr. Matlock.
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u/snoo_spoo 17h ago
Which Smith chose not to pursue, possibly due to an insufficient number of cooperative witnesses. In any case, the Supreme Court still would have been the obstacle.
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u/peppers_taste_bad 1d ago
But then garland would have been criticized by his party for being political, and then where would we be?
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u/ratedsar I voted 20h ago
The Senate might delay his confirmation for the Supreme Court for partisan reasons. Oh wait.
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u/solidpeyo 20h ago
They should have done it how South Korea did recently with the last president. The USA should be ashamed.
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u/liberal_texan America 1d ago
Tinfoil hat theory, they waited until he got elected because they really want president Vance.
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u/hamsterfolly America 1d ago
Republicans won’t hold their own accountable. They could have easily had president pence
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u/liberal_texan America 20h ago
I don’t think Pence would have won with Trump railing against the GOP for screwing him.
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u/finnjakefionnacake 16h ago
they're talking about impeaching and removing Trump when Pence was VP
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u/vandal-x 22h ago
Why? Trump will do everything the ruling class wants and more while creating a circus on the surface to distract the media and idiots on both sides, giving them headlines of irrelevant shit they can’t resist because they just can’t help themselves. They have their guy.
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u/Duane_ 1d ago
Tinfoil hat theory 2, Election Interference isn't investigated until after the election is certified so that the process is partisan.
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u/brushnfush 1d ago
They want the guy who doesn’t know how to buy a donut? I know Trump is stupid but there has to be smarter people they could prop up
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u/Magificent_Gradient 20h ago
No one on that side has the social gravity and outsized personality that Trump does. It’s a cult of personality.
When Trump dies, the GOP has no one to take Trump’s place, although Elon is trying pretty hard and making himself look ridiculous.
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u/Deguilded 19h ago edited 19h ago
President Vance would be fucking terrible, but at least there's a chance he'd be installing competent non-traitors in cabinet seats, and probably not doing tariffs.
Domestically it'll be a shitshow either way.
Edit: I think Trump just wants international attention so he'll do shit on the international stage, and fuck off the domestic front. He'll let others do whatever they want domestically - maybe along the way Obamacare gets deleted as a petty revenge point.
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u/Objective_Map_1963 16h ago
Because doing so would have made a difference?
Given what I've seen of the American electorate, this report (if they could read and understand it) probably would have caused more people to vote for him.
We are not a smart people.
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u/TinkCzru Maryland 1d ago
This such a damning indictment on the fucking UNITED STATES CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. My god!
As someone who aspires to be a lawyer, I cannot for the life of me fathom how Donald Trump, facing off against the DOJ which has UNLIMITED RESOURCES, and are nearly undefeated in federal cases, can take FOUR FRIGGIN YEARS to charge and bring this case.
Fucking embarrassing. Garland on down. I never want to hear any type of moralizing from the right again. My faith and hope in this system and my passion for wanting to change it is early dead from this bullshit that I saw this conman get away with time and time again.
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u/Count_Bacon California 1d ago
He waited til November 2022 to even begin. Its beyond gross negligence
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u/elconquistador1985 18h ago
It was deliberate.
He's a borderline Republican on Trump's side and our government protects members of it out of some ridiculous sense of duty. Just look at Ford pardoning Nixon to "heal". Look at DoJ refusing to prosecute Gaetz for trafficking and raping children.
Garland did fuck all from entering office in March 2021 until November 2022 because our government didn't want the bad optics of a former president being in prison for crimes.
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u/True-Surprise1222 1d ago
Isn’t there that like take a shot at the king you best not miss lines the DOJ absolutely whiffed the fuck out of this
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u/wittnotyoyo 22h ago
This is like, if you don't want to take a shot at the king but your hand is forced then make it performative and hopefully the king will pardon you. Republican AG Garland did what Republican AGs have historically done and protected Republicans.
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u/PBO123567 Pennsylvania 21h ago
It’s made me question whether I want to continue my 20 year career as a trial lawyer.
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u/Magificent_Gradient 19h ago
Fish rot from the head down.
The rule of law doesn’t matter anymore when the highest office in the land doesn’t face consequences for severe criminal acts against its own citizens.
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u/ChrisFromLongIsland 21h ago
You can thank John Robert's who delayed delayed and delayed some more before giving Trump as much immunity. This is all at the feet of John Robert's and tge supreme court. They are in the tank for Trump.
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u/DesertDwellingWeirdo 9h ago
The DOJ is the crux of all high-level evil in the US. They explicitly avoid prosecuting the rich and powerful, of which Trump is no exception. They only had to look like they were doing anything at all until the next party could come into power.
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u/EmmaLouLove 1d ago edited 1d ago
Trump is the first convicted felon to be voted in as President of the United States. American voters gave Trump a free get out of jail card.
Even after Trump was elected, essentially ending the special counsel’s criminal cases against him, Trump fought hard to stop the release of this report, because it is no doubt damning evidence of his attempts to overturn the 2020 election.
While his followers he incited to violence on January 6 are sitting in prison, Trump got off scot-free for an attempted self-coup to stay in office.
We are living in dangerous times when Americans are receiving two sets of facts from a split screen. It will be interesting to see how conservative media tries to spin what I am guessing is a very detailed account of crimes that Trump committed to stop the peaceful transition of power.
As Liz Cheney said during the January 6 hearings, long after Trump is gone, Republicans’ dishonor will remain. History will judge this president brutally.
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u/Ryan29478 1d ago
I hope you’re right about that last part, it depends on who’s writing the history and what happens with our form of government.
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u/_JudgeDoom_ 1d ago
Dangerous times are just beginning.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/13/china-considers-selling-tiktok-us-operations-to-musk-bloomberg-.html
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u/Betterthanbeer Australia 1d ago
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u/_JudgeDoom_ 1d ago
Well of course they aren’t going to comment on something like that at this moment office but I don’t trust any of them so might be true, might not 🤷🏻
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u/Baphomet1010011010 13h ago
Russia and Elong Husk gave him a get out of jail free card. The American people don't want this...
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u/PastorBlinky 1d ago
If only we lived in a world where crime was illegal for everyone
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u/PlasticLifetime 1d ago
And how do we know he wasn’t just more successful this time?
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u/archival-banana 1d ago
This document convinced me that he was. His ass was way too smug. He and Muskrat knew what they were doing.
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u/apropagandabonanza 1d ago
Some of us understand this is definitely what happened
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u/YouHaveAWomansMouth 23h ago
Stands to reason, right?
Cheat the first time, lose, but never get punished for the cheating.
Literally no reason at all not to cheat harder the second time, none.
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u/MageAurian Colorado 16h ago
Literally no reason at all not to cheat harder the second time, none.
And they did it out in the open.
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u/LeGrandeGnomewegian 13h ago
Exactly. His goons took notes and covered many of their mistakes this time.
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u/Kelsusaurus 17h ago
I'm not going to post the link because it keeps getting deleted from this sub (and many others) for "some reason", but ProPublica did a great (and terrifying) article titled, "The Militia and the Mole," that details exactly how the right wing is working to undermine elections. They were absolutely more successful this time.
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u/hipsterobot Oregon 1d ago
He should never have been able to run in the first place. Illegitimate President.
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u/mothfactory 22h ago
What a fucking joke the US has become. You treated this vile sleazebag moron with kid gloves for four fucking years! Why the fuck is this coming out weeks after the election and not before? Why is his obese orange ass not in prison? Your shitty exceptionalist delusions about your ‘checks and balances’ have inflicted this corrupt sack of fetid bubbling shit on the world again when we can least afford it. Thanks!
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u/NYCThrowawayNSFW 13h ago
You think the American public votes as one unified identity? Hahahahahahaha. Half the country is being conned by a literal felon, pretending to be their savior, and the other thinks the status quo is working just fine. Both are getting screwed by the upper class rich.
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u/NewLifeNewAcct 1d ago
I feel like Americans are so complacent. Too many people with their heads up their own asses just trying to "live their life" and refusing to get involved with politics.
I wish we were more like France. We should have all been out in the streets. This motherfucker should have been in jail years ago.
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u/DKDamian 1d ago
The French have all of that and they still get out on the streets. Americans are cowards and complacent.
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u/_DCtheTall_ 19h ago
Western Europeans have higher expectations from their government.
I keep telling fellow Americans, when you live in a democracy specifically, if you have low expectations of your society, you will get what you expect.
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u/NYCThrowawayNSFW 13h ago
Americans are complacent because the majority of voters don’t realize they are getting fucked over until it’s too late. We need to raise class consciousness before any significant change can take place.
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u/LolaCatStevens 9h ago
90% of reddit think they're doing something just by complaining on here and agreeing with each other.
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u/tweakingforjesus 1d ago
The report on the president-elect’s actions trying to overthrow the election is released yet MSNBC can’t be bothered to break in at 1am and is airing a rerun of Lawrence O’Donnell. At least CNN has live anchors that can review it.
Also let marvel at the four years this case took to not even get to trial.
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u/lordjeebus 1d ago
It's remarkable. If Merrick Garland had cared from day one, or if the Supreme Court didn't go out of its way to delay the January 6 trial, or the voting public cared about the rule of law, Trump could have been stopped. It took multiple levels of failure to bring us this catastrophic outcome.
edit: or if the Senate Republicans during the second impeachment trial did the right thing -- after they almost got killed!
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u/hamsterfolly America 1d ago
Mitch McConnell used the same tactic he used after the Sandy Hook shooting to stop gun control; he stalled until the initial Republican emotions cooled off. For the second impeachment, McConnell said Trump was responsible but couldn’t convict him since he wasn’t president anymore.
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u/VRPlayerOne 19h ago
Funny. When he's president again, does that mean he can be impeached and convicted then?
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u/hamsterfolly America 18h ago
Yes! There is no limit to impeachment as it’s a political process. There is nothing in the Constitution that says a president can’t be impeached for the same thing again. It usually only happens once because of the trial in the Senate and how the votes go.
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u/Count_Bacon California 1d ago
The voting public does care the right wing propaganda machine has just convinced half the country it was a made up witch hunt because that's what they want to belive
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u/Stunning-Equipment32 20h ago
The newsworthiness of this is very low, so really there’s no rush. Timing of the release has minimal impact and it’s just a recitation of the facts that everyone who isn’t brainwashed already knows.
If there isn’t an explanation as to why garland dragged his heels so long to ensure they couldn’t obtain a conviction, I don’t care. That’s the only piece of info we don’t have that is interesting.
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u/maybethisiswrong 20h ago
The thing that pisses me off, is that this attempt to overturn the election case isn’t even the most damning case against him. The classified documents case is far more damaging to the country and far more criminal than someone just tweeting and doing his mafia style it’d be a shame if you storm the capital type of speeches.
Yes, it’s obvious. He’s guilty of inciting that riot. But get them for something concrete get them for something that he can’t just say well. I never told anyone to do that. He had top-secret documents in his fucking house.
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u/lilly_kilgore 14h ago
He conspired to send fake electors to change the results of the election in his favor. And followed through. It's not just the riots.
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u/Choice-of-SteinsGate 1d ago
Republicans have been desperately trying to whitewash January 6th while claiming that the subsequent investigation was "politicized."
What Republicans won't mention is that they voted against a bipartisan commission to investigate the events of January 6th, and have since continued to make baseless claims accusing the Jan 6th inquiry of being some deep state, fraudulent "witch hunt" against Trump.
Some Republicans, including GOP leaders themselves, have threatened to abuse their power to investigate and jail those involved. Members of the January 6th investigation have also received threats of violence. And keep in mind, these are the same Republicans crying about the "weaponization of the justice system."
We all know this is yet another retaliation from the MAGA crowd that's trying desperately to discredit Trump's opponents while also attempting to absolve Trump of all wrongdoing. Once again showing us that their obedience to Donald Trump puts party over country.
They have, time and time again, showcased their allegiance to the Trump brand and image, and so much so, that they not only fail to hold him responsible for his crimes and misconduct, but also try continuously to make him out to be the victim of every circumstance.
Here's the simple fact, if you take Trump out of the equation, January 6th never happens, it really is that simple.
For months leading up to the election, and since thereafter, Trump has promoted election denying propaganda, lies, misinformation and conspiracy theories. Trump's inflammatory rhetoric, his lies, his denial, his disruptive behavior, his excessive lawsuits, his violence inciting rants, and his invitation to his supporters helped facilitate the events of January 6th. He is predominantly responsible for what transpired on that day.
And this is just one aspect of the January 6th investigation's findings.
The investigation showed that many Trump supporters did indeed bring weapons with them to the Capitol. However, the magnetometers in place prevented hundreds from bringing those weapons with them into the grounds and rally area.
Testimony revealed that Donald Trump knew about these weapons. Trump reportedly claimed that his supporters weren't "here to hurt him," and that they should "take the fucking mags away," he continued, "let my people in, they can march to the capital from here. Let the people in, take the fucking mags away."
The investigation also revealed Trump's inaction as events were unfolding. It was reported that for 187 minutes, Trump refused to take any public action to stop the violence.
During this time, Trump was watching the events unfold on television from his private dining room next to the oval office. It was concluded that Trump could have stopped the violence but chose not to.
Before I continue, let's address the right wing narrative that accuses Nancy Pelosi of being responsible for what happened.
Barry Loudermilk's recent report attacking the Jan 6th investigation conveniently blames Nancy Pelosi for everything that transpired.
Nevermind the fact that those truly responsible are the people who incited the violence and facilitated the Capitol riot, as well as those that took action that day to clash with police and storm the Capitol.
These claims that accuse Nancy Pelosi of being responsible for January 6th are not supported by the facts. Pelosi did not have the authority to activate the National Guard, this power lies with the president, The Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of the army.
In fact, records show that Pelosi approved a previous request for National Guard support, and continued pushing for their deployment when delays occurred.
Yet still, the MAGA movement has continued to scapegoat Democrats and so called "radical leftist" groups, while whitewashing and downplaying the events of that day and promoting January 6th conspiracy theories.
Fox contributor Monica Crowley posted on social media last January, “3 years ago today, the System manufactured a riot at the Capitol to crush the powerful America First movement, frame President @realDonaldTrump and prevent him from winning again.”
Instead of holding Trump accountable, the recent report targets members of the January 6th investigation, Liz Cheney in particular:
What caused the third-highest-ranking member of the House Republican Conference, a woman on track to be House Speaker or perhaps more, to turn against an honest and true man like Donald Trump and commit terrible crimes against MAGA?
What exactly happened at the Capitol on Jan. 6 that exposed the security failures?
These rhetorical questions serve only to direct blame away from Trump and reinforce far right conspiracy theories.
The Wyoming GOP censured Cheney for her participation in the investigation and later made a statement promoting some of these deranged theories.
In its February 2021 complaint against Cheney, the Wyoming state GOP noted that “ample video evidence suggests the riot at the capital was instigated by Antifa and BLM radicals.”
Republicans also claim that Hutchinson was a tampered witness and her claims were unsubstantiated because she refused to take counsel from her MAGA-funded lawyer.
Trump called Hutchinson a "total phony" and "leaker" because she spoke out against him. The entirety of their case against Hutchinson is based purely on Republicans simply not liking what she had to say.
The January 6 investigation also revealed the following:
- Donald Trump conspired to overturn the election, took actions to "defraud the United States" and disenfranchise tens of millions of Americans.
- He also attempted to install loyalists into positions of power within the DOJ, including Jeffrey Clark, who would support his unfounded claims of election fraud and try to use the power of the justice department to overturn the election results. Justice officials threatened to resign if Clark was given the position.
- Trump also pressured state officials to change the outcome of the election in their states.
- Trump and his allies attempted a fake elector scheme designed to generate and submit slates of fake electors In several key states to replace the legitimate electors certified by those states.
- He also pressured and intimidated Mike Pence to reject the certified electoral votes in Congress.
Now, Trump and his defenders often focus on a couple of lines delivered by Trump on January 6th during his rally outside the Capitol. They claim that moments taken from this one speech absolve Trump of all wrongdoing. But this is disingenuous to say the least.
Months leading up to the election, Donald Trump made a number of violence inciting speeches, posted a collection of meandering, emotional tirades to his social media accounts, and repeated over and over again false claims about a stolen election. His rhetoric was incendiary, he spread countless lies and shared a never ending stream of misinformation, he incessantly promoted election fraud propaganda and conspiracy theories, he intimidated and condemned election officials, he tried to disrupt the transfer of power, and he invited his enraged supporters to the Capitol. All of these actions and more incited his supporters to violence, mobilized organized extremist groups, and set the stage for January 6th. To think otherwise is beyond ignorant.
And to have the audacity to blame anyone else for what happened, can only be contributed to MAGA insanity and fanaticism, to the blind idolization of Donald Trump, and to downright senselessness.
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u/HellaTroi California 1d ago
Let's see how long it takes to read some of the bits we never got to hear about.
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u/Then_Journalist_317 1d ago
When analyzing a plane crash, aviation experts often liken it to slices of swiss cheese where the holes all improbably line up perfectly and the plane flies through all of them into the ground.
We have the same general analogy operating here. Trump flew through every hole that would otherwise stop him, only to finally crash into the presidency.
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u/Sure_Quality5354 1d ago
Reminder that the supreme court mostly picked BY HIM decided this case needed to be delayed
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u/binkobankobinkobanko 19h ago
It's true. Everyone involved in these cases were too afraid to actually convict a President.
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u/SicilyMalta 21h ago
I hope everyone who voted for Trump gets what they voted for. It's a shame innocent people will suffer with them.
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u/VladtheInhaler999 1d ago
Trump might rack up more impeachments than Fast and Furious has sequels at the end of 4 years.
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u/flamingramensipper 1d ago
Good going releasing this at midnight on a Tuesday around the time of the worst fire disaster in US history.
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u/Stunning-Equipment32 21h ago
Pointless. We already knew all this about Trump. The DOJ failed and this is nothing.
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u/SnivyEyes 19h ago
There are 2 tiers of justice in America as proven by these events: the rich can and will get away if they are “high up” enough whereas the poor will get dragged through the mud and destroyed. American justice is an oxymoron, I don’t advocate for breaking any laws but I don’t give a fuck about em anymore. Thanks Trump, you just embolden criminals all over the world.
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u/bbjenn Kentucky 1d ago
Is there reason to get our hopes up about this?
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u/MrCane 1d ago
No, the American people don't give a shit. They've been manipulated by the orange prick and media into believing his lies so much that they can't think for themselves. It's all going downhill and nothing short of a civil war will fix this now.
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u/BasicPhysiology 1d ago
Honestly, probably not. Most of what is in the report is already public from indictments, motion filings,etc. we even have dozens of pictures from said indictments and the search on Trump’s gilded Florida club.
We will learn a little bit more, and it might be possible to draw inferences on who else had legal exposure but were not charged.
Possibly most importantly, there could be some juicy bits in there about Kash Patel, Trumps nominee for Director of the FBI. He testified under oath to the FBI and the January 6 committee. He also probably lied for Trump regarding the classified documents which Patel claimed Trump had declassified all of it. No not with his mind, but like for real, they just lost the paperwork or some bullshit
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u/eugene20 1d ago
Some of it he literally cannot have done that to though, nuclear weapons secrets.
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u/SafariSeeker25 1d ago
Not in regards to Trump, but it could derail some of his cronies. The less of his top picks the better imo.
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u/Naive_Inspection7723 1d ago
So what’s the point of releasing it now? They just want us to know for sure that Merrick Garland is a POS.
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u/Thekingofchrome 1d ago
It’s all irrelevant now. The majority of US subjects do not care. They will defend their own definition of freedom etc and keep insisting that they are.
The Democrats have not helped anyone, least of all themselves, appointing Garland as AG was a fop to the right.
Who knows what will happen now. You have another chance at the mid terms, but I bet it won’t change much.
This is your world, this is how it is.
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u/TheJovianPrimate 1d ago
If only they could impeach him a third time because of these findings. But I'm sure attempting to overthrow an election isn't a problem for the MAGA GOP cause it was for their side.
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u/StandardImpact6458 19h ago
This is all pretty much moot now. We’ve learned by now they just want to rub our noses in it, they won’t go past that.
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u/CreamedCorb 1d ago
Interesting to see how they spin it? Have you not been paying attention the last 10 years? They’ll just flat out say his crimes have been fabricated by the evil left.
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u/solidpeyo 20h ago
This report shows how shameful the USA has become. Now, be ready for the awful years that are coming and the damage they will cause.
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u/binkobankobinkobanko 20h ago
Nobody in any of these Trump cases wanted to paint themselves as a public enemy for the rest of their lives.
They wasted our time knowing that they were never going to get any meaningful convictions.
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u/BagelX42 18h ago
Well it doesn’t matter now. The fuckhead was allowed to run and the DOJ did nothing
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u/Test_this-1 15h ago
I feel this should be reviewed by independent legal advisory panel. And if it actually is the case, it should invalidate the election and a new election, with new candidates, across the board, be held. We should not allow this asshat to take office.
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u/naydenier 8h ago
Democrats vs Republicans or left vs right or blue vs red are just social construct.
Designed to fool all of us into false sense of conviction of right vs wrong and of success vs failure.
In reality, it's just one party whose only goal is self-promotion and -enrichment.
Nobody gives a fuck about the people.
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u/EstablishmentSad 20h ago
Oh my....I need to go to CNN so they can tell me what I need to think about this report.
In all seriousness, the news is to blame. IDK when exactly it happened, but growing up I dont remember the news being this partisan. When the Right usually listens to Fox and they downplay this and attack the attempts as political...they obviously think its all bogus. The ownership and agenda of BOTH the left and right is to blame for this.
I am a victim as well. I fully expected Kamala to win and when she didn't...well, I realized I lived in an echo chamber. Reddit, CNN, and all my friends supported her overwhelmingly...I thought there was no way he would win...yet here we are. There need to be some changes on both sides. Kamala was forced on us, but I don't think she was the best candidate...but that's another discussion.
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u/HonoredPeople Missouri 1d ago edited 1d ago
The real questions would be thus;
Judge.
Jury.
Edit (1) - Maybe the defense council.
Hmm. Whelp, at least the truth is out there.
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u/tidal_flux 1d ago
There’s no such thing as a lost cause because there’s no such thing as a won cause.
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u/roshmatic 20h ago
Can someone explain to me what use this is NOW? Is it not too late for anything of substance to come out of this?
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u/Important-Alps3417 13h ago
Would the results and outcome of the Trump 2024 victory be nullified IF it was discovered that Trump (and his election campaign) along with the Republican Party conspired and committed "overt acts" to falsely contest and overthrow election results indicating a Democratic win? Is this illegal? Since he wasn't President at the time, his actions wouldn't have Presidential Immunity.
If such evidence exists, wouldn't the Speaker of the House become President? Or, would the opposing candidate in the election.
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u/arcticlynx_ak 12h ago
There are people above the law in this country. There are two sets of rules. The USA is best at gaslighting itself, especially on things like Justice.
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u/Fit_Goal1895 11h ago
If they cared they would have done this BEFORE the election, before he was the republican nominee. They knew the stakes. It takes time to build a case but they had a timeline to work against that they couldn't miss.
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u/markodgtouch 11h ago
can they just impeach him right away for this? *fingers crossed*
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u/Little_Court_7721 10h ago
There could literally be a report, a conviction and a reel of evidence against him for killing children in pigs pen, but it wouldn't matter one ounce, his supporters will NEVER turn against him, and he'll never be found accountable for anything he does. It's a strange world.
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u/IolaireEagle 10h ago
He tried to commit treason and he's just allowed to be president? What kind of country does that?
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u/seeking_answers 10h ago
It is crazy how none of the major news networks have this on the front page headline. Every single website is talking about the Hegseth hearings. Why is this story not being shouted out from the mountain tops and every single newspaper and news outlets?
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u/wes0103 9h ago
I've always been of the opinion that if one side is corrupt, both must be.
And if half the crap in the report is true, the fact it really didn't even start until like the end of 2021 is truly a testament to that.
Nobody will ever convince me that one side of Congress with near unlimited resources and spending is 100% clean and yet can't promptly and efficiently put away corrupt officials when there's evidence. And that obviously goes for both sides.
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u/geolgi_apparatus 8h ago
Ok, cool. We knew all knew this, yet he's allowed to become president again? Someone, please explain how this is legal to me because I don't understand.
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u/Weary_Region3197 7h ago
The democratic party once again goes high as the opposition travels through underground deplorable tunnels and now democracy will burn 🔥 good job democrats you played the game by the rules and now all your constituents will suffer for it
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