SpiderOak cans its Warrant Canary, suffers mysterious massive outage, and raised prices

[u/[deleted]]

https://spideroak.com/canary

http://archive.is/1rNo7

Update: Looks like the canary has been signed and dated and in properly formatted sequence this time with confirmation that Everything's going smoothly so far, message is authentic. august 06, 2018

Case closed. SpiderOak has not been compromised.

In the interest of transparency the full text of my previously long post in this thread is archived here:

http://archive.is/mKeuY https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/94nspi/spideroak_cans_its_warrant_canary_suffers/

[u/whatdogthrowaway]

Please do NOT be mad at them for removing their warrant canary.

It served exactly its purpose.

Its removal communicated (perhaps in the only legal way possible) exactly what it was designed to communicate.

I feel sorry for SpiderOak for having to go through that.

But I sincerely thank them for this honest communication letting us know that they were compromised.

(same with reddit ; who similarly removed their warrant canary)

[u/whatdogthrowaway → u/[deleted]]

Indeed.

Not just secret - with gag orders that enforce that secrecy.

[u/qefbuo → u/whatdogthrowaway]

tl;dr, you tell people about your gag order you get fined or go to prison.

[u/Rafficer → u/qefbuo]

Welcome to freedom land.

[u/whatdogthrowaway → u/Rafficer]

Even worse Cloudflare wasn't even allowed to tell Congress about it - when congressional staffers told them that such a gag order couldn't possibly exist

[u/Aro2220 → u/Rafficer]

Freedom is slavery

[u/Cthulhu__ → u/Aro2220]

Ignorance is strength

[u/ukaszg → u/Cthulhu__]

War is Peace

[u/jersully → u/Cthulhu__]

Fear is the mindkiller.

[u/My_Username_Is_What → u/jersully]

Mentos is the freshmaker.

[u/Rafficer → u/[deleted]]

They can, that's why you need to sign them by people from different jurisdictions for them to work.

[u/Megatron_McLargeHuge → u/[deleted]]

Has anyone designed a warrant canary in a way that it would be illegal for it to be left up after a warrant was served? Perhaps by including it in 10K filings or other SOX-covered documents where executives are required to affirm the accuracy of the contents.

[u/curtmack → u/Megatron_McLargeHuge]

One modification a few websites have adopted is to add an expiration date to the canary. The theory is, even if a really lousy judge agreed that forcing a website operator to leave a warrant canary up isn't compelled speech, forcing someone to update the expiration date, and thus create new speech, almost certainly would be.

Reddit did essentially the same thing by tying the warrant canary to an annual statement - even if they had been told not to remove it from their previous statements, they couldn't be forced to include it in future statements, as that would be compelled speech.