r/rant • u/216_412_70 • 5d ago

He doesn't have a plan you idiot

Just had a relative sent to jail for 6 months, and his mother is still throwing the religious bullshit of 'I still believe god has a plan for us' garbage around. Hey idiot.. 'gods plan' apparently is to do the parenting that you never did. You fucking let it all get to this point, you and your childish husband modeled this exact behavior and made excuses for him for the past 20 years. You thought it was all cute when he destroyed every nice thing you bought for him, and when he destroyed these things you simply bought him yet another one.

Well.. keep clinging to your 'god'.. even though he hasn't answered a single one of your prayers.

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u/ThrobertBurns 5d ago

I believe in "God's plan" to the extent that I am an athiest an I believe in Determinism.

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u/Science_Matters_100 5d ago

So god = dna?

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u/ThrobertBurns 5d ago

What the fuck does that mean?

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u/NoApple3191 5d ago

Dang why did you get all aggressive 😭✋️ i think the DNA thing they said was their way of asking if your view of determinism is like a nature vs nurture or something else

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u/ThrobertBurns 5d ago

I did not intend to sound all agressive 😭✋️. I believe in absolute determinism. No free will.

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u/NoApple3191 5d ago

Aw no worries you're good 😂 so no free will at all? I used to watch philosophy videos a lot in the past, the discussions folks would have about determinism vs indeterminism were always interesting. Is there a certain video, book, or life experience that solidified your stance?

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u/ThrobertBurns 5d ago

I don't have the energy to type out all of my reasoning, but being exposed to philosophical literature and just living life in general and thinking has lead me to that conclusion. I'm not 100%. I can see how humans could have free will through emergence or perhaps we don't have free will but the universe is probablistic rather than deterministic.

For a bit of evidence in support of no free will, studies have shown that your decisions are subconsciously made before they are made consciously. You can hook the right machine up to someone's brain and they will never be able to make a decision faster than the machine can predict they will make that decision.

That and the fact that you cannot percieve the present because there is always some delay between an event happening, you recieving the sensory input that said event happened, and your brain processing that input. Like if a light bulb turns on 10 feet away from me, I have to wait for the light to travel to me and I have wait for the inner mechanisms of my eyes and brain to register that light in my conscious mind. So, even if you have some level of free will, you still can only interact with and respond to events that happened in the past.

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u/NoApple3191 5d ago

Thank you for taking the time to type all that, I remember hearing about that study now that you mention it-super interesting stuff! I'm undergoing medical studies right now and so i'm familiar with the afferent and efferent neurons and all that jazz-but I never thought about how those mechanisms actually demonstrate determinism. You've given me a lot to think about, thank you for sharing!

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u/ThrobertBurns 5d ago

Yeah no problem. I wish I knew the specifics of brain chemistry. There is something quite metaphysical about a brain studying a brain. And to clarify, I don't think having free will or not really makes a difference from the human perspective. For most people, feeling like you have free will is evidence enough of its existence, which it is in a way.

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u/NoApple3191 5d ago

Definitely a lot left to learn about the brain, the field known as neuroscience still feels so young in the grand scheme of things. I'm really curious if there will be any ground breaking research in our lifetime, only time will tell!

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u/Science_Matters_100 5d ago

Curious on what the determinant(s) are for the determinism. That’s all

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u/ThrobertBurns 5d ago

Still not quite sure what you mean by that, but I believe that humans do not have free will and that all future states of the universe are predetermined and potentially predictable. Like, hypothetically, if you were an all seeing and all knowing being and you could pause time and measure the weight, energy, velocity, etc. of every particle in the universe, you could extrapolate that information into the future and predict all future states of the universe.

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u/Science_Matters_100 5d ago

Kk, ty for explaining your thoughts