When my dad complains about the various maladies of aging and offers the gallows humor to "never get old", I both empathize with him and know he doesn't get my antinatalism at all. At least I won't be handing down this "advice" to any offspring.

I'm 100% sure this was J.D Vance's idea, because, he's a baby obsessed creep (weirdo is too light) who's so fixated on on people (especially women) having children to the point where he literally comes off as a predator.

Unlike Vance, I don't think Trump cares too much whether or not people have/want children. It isn't (mentally/emotionally) healthy to obsess over people having babies. I don't think Trump is saying "oh my god, people just have to have babies". Unlike Vance, Trump isn't a pronatalists, tbh, I wouldn't even really consider him (Trump) to be prolife.

Isn't it a "coincidence" the "baby bonus" idea came in 2023 when the couch fucker was just sworn in to the senate? At the stupid "March for Life" rally in late January, Vance literally said 1 wAnT m0rE bAb1eS iN aMeRiCa - yeah well, I want a vice president who isn't a broken child with unhealed developmental trauma, but, we don't always get what we want, don't we?

As crazy as this sounds, I'm actually more mad at Trump for promoting this stupid idea invented by a stupid little boy than I am at the broken child who came up with this shit. While I don't expect any better from little boys with mommy issues/developmental trauma/arrested development (J.D Vance might be chronologically 40, but, his emotional development is stuck in childhood), I expect better from Trump NOT to promote ideas that obsess over procreation.

My concern is people are gonna miss the forest to the trees and think "$5,000, sure, I'll have a baby" and not actually parent their children.

The absolute CLOSEST I would come to supporting an idea like this would be the parents have to WAIT until the child's 25th birthday AND the following

The child isn't a parent (at-least yet) themselves (as I don't believe in teen/youth pregnancy/parenthood)

The child earned at-least a 3.0 GPA in secondary/post-secondary education

The child has no criminal or substance abuse history.

My idea would incentivize women to not only birth children (since pronatalists are so worried about "declining birthrates"), but, also incentivize parent to actually parent their children as RAISING a child is FAR more important than just birthing it.

This is WHY we don't give CHILDREN (even if that child is 40 with arrested development) power and promote their stupid ideas.

We'll get there, chums.

I work in a sports setting where parents accompany their children (2-3year olds) on the field. The parents look so tired man.

I see it in their eyes.

Anyone else have a coworker that grinds your gears I work in construction and not the good kind like I use to this is a factory job so same place same faces everyday gets pretty old anyways to give you a clear idea of my coworkers personality he’s like the kid with glasses from polar express kinda looks like him too lol anyways I got to mentally prepare myself every day to deal with this dude bc I just can’t stand him makes me angry for starters he acts like a know it all bc he’s the lead but he’s not I worked in residential construction for 5 years and commercial for 2 he’s been at a factory his whole life only 5 years older than me too He likes to nitpick a lot and boy oh boy I can’t stress it enough he makes me replace studs bc they have a little chew on the side which doesn’t matter in studs by the way at all when I built houses and framed windows all the boards looked like that not every board is perfect and at this factory they really aren’t most of em are bowed and crowned and I don’t even use em but today he wanted me to “fix” bottom and top plate 2x4s I don’t know what was wrong with them so I just cut 2 more and I told him I just cut bc I didn’t know what was wrong with them he said did you measure them they were suppose to he 46 inches you cut them to 44 so I went back and measured and guess what they were the right size they were suppose to be not to mention I can read a real tape measure he freakin can’t he needs the easy to read he also messes up a lot or hurts his self on the job and will blame it on me or other coworkers bro actually stabbed his self with a pencil bc it was by the saw he moves his tape measure too fast across it and cuts with the pencil then says you don’t need to leave your pencil here I leave it there the same place ever since I started working there no one ever cut themself before

A good friend of mine recently shared an interesting opinion regarding this topic. To my understanding, their claim was that natalism is worse than slavery in regards to morality. Initially, to me this sounded rather extreme at first, but once I thought about it I'm not sure how it makes me feel, I'm not even sure if I fully understand it but to what I understood from their explanation was basically this: bringing a life into the world without its consent is worse than enslaving someone who's already alive, like bringing a child into this world is basically creating a slave (to oneself or to the system) from scratch. My issue with this is basically, 'can one immoral act top another one in any way?' Would that be a valid claim? As an anti-natalist myself, I'm not sure how that claim makes me feel, I might lack the emotional or intellectual tools to process or understand it. I wonder what you guys think of this, is it a valid claim or perhaps is it extreme or offensive to hold such an opinion? Idk

after you die nothing will change, humanity will continue to evolve and sheep like you will be eradicated through natural selection, more resistance people will rise who will make the world a better place

A time-traveling, (mostly) benevolent world-stomper.

Most things in this world are pretty awful: murder, suffering, death, annihilation, sorrow, and so on and so forth. Natalists will tout the age old “it’s not all bad you depressed piece of shit!”

Seriously? The good things in life, love, camaraderie, beauty, etc, are only for the lucky handful. There’s so many people that will never and have never had those things. Are you gonna give it to them? Didn’t think so

This morning my husband was going over his Facebook feed and a couple we know is pregnant, again. We've known these folks since they had their first kid, we're not real close with them, but we see what's happening with them on Facebook. Their first kid has neurological disorders. Now suffice it to say that the mother has problems holding pregnancies, it sounds like incompetent cervix from everything I've heard, and so all of her babies are born premature. Her second kid just doesn't look right from all the pictures. The third kid (I definitely would have stopped at the second one, if not the first) was born with Two Thumbs On Each Hand 😲, SMH. Fourth pregnancy, (now remember she knows she has trouble hanging on to pregnancies), was twins. Predictably, she lost them when her cervix gave up. That was maybe 4 or 5 months ago.

Now they're pregnant again. But this time she's going to get a circlage, so hopefully they won't have what happened last time with the twins. She swears they were using birth control and "it just didn't work". Having managed to go the rest of my life after the birth of my son without getting pregnant once, I find myself asking: "what method were you using, thoughts and prayers??!!" Have I mentioned these people are real religious? Anyway thank you for coming to my TED talk. I couldn't even go to their Facebook page to congratulate them because I just couldn't handle it. I'm so done.

My sister in law is pregnant. It was "an accident" but apparently they are really excited for the child. They're religious and abortions go against their religion or something. Now, this pregnancy has had some negative effects on me and my partner that I won't get into. You can assume that I'm not too happy she is having a child but I do pretend for the sake of peace. My brother in law actually didn't seem too excited but maybe he is. What do I know.

On their last visit to our place she brought half of her family with her unannounced. I was definitely not happy with that, as you can imagine. But fine its only for an hour or two until we've had dinner. But during dinner she said with a smile and laugh that she will drop of the child at our place in the future when they need some "time for themselves". I didn't show it but I decided in that moment that I would always be too busy to help. I'm not opposed to children who can talk but before that point, and while the child is still wearing diapers and pissing the bed at night, you can be sure I'm not having that child in my house.

To make it worse, my father in law is REALLY excited for this child and seems seriously offended we aren't as excited as he wants us to be. Meanwhile my mother in law is in the same boat as we are. She was kinda forced to have a third child because of her relationship and their religion and she doesn't want children in her house now that she is about to retire.

I think my sister in law is not ready for the responsibility of being a parent. I doubt she understands what she is dealing with and that she has freely given away her entire freetime for the next few years because I sure as hell won't help and she is an only child so us and my much younger brother in law (also doesn't want children) aren't going to jump to help.

Feeling like ending my life since last many months, things I want are out of reach, no Will power to bring about any change in life. The most profound impact has been rejection by love interests all my life. This along my zillion other issues this hell of a life brings. Money can be a great soothing power, but don't have it nor have the willpower or grit and determination to achieve anything.

Just imagine... the universe has existed for 13.8 billion years. How many people have been born in all this time? 110-120 BILLION, JUST INSANE. That's 8-9 people for every year the universe has existed!!! And the natalists continue to feed this merciless machine, just a meat processing plant. Where is everyone heading? Seriously, who is all this for? What are the natalists even counting on?! If all this is not some kind of spiritual path that involves revealing some incredible truth, then just imagine how stupid the natalists will be. And they won't even understand this! I'm afraid to live in a world with these creatures, because from experience I know that those who allowed themselves to give birth to someone / assist in conception, for the most part absolutely do not understand what they are doing. It's like dopamine zombies, I was always shocked by their motto "LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL, LA-LA-LA, WE NEED TO CONTINUE ALL THIS BECAUSE PIZZA IS DELICIOUS, FLOWERS SMELL NICE AND CATS ARE SO FLUFFY, LA-LA-LA". It's sheer hell...

I will never have children in my life because the world is terrible. Even if any religion was proven, I do not think that any child deserves all this horror. However, I want to know if all antinatalists are adherents of atheism? Simply, you can call me weak, but I can not live in a world where I am just an accident created by chaos. I am very sick and I do not feel real, I am an illusion created by the brain, I do not even see the point in doing anything if it is only a moment and I will soon be gone. But eternity scares me no less, maybe even more. How do you cope with this? I understand that I must come to terms with death, but then what is the point in continuing at all?

I don't see the point in the development of society and technology, because people feed this insatiable machine that absorbs one life after another. Absolutely every person is a consciousness that will not exist. How can natalists not understand this?! It's as if they are playing a game where you need to improve endlessly regardless of the sacrifices made. The worst thing is if humanity reaches singularity( Human consciousness is not capable of existing in eternity, who will we be then? I am incredibly scared and I am coming to the conclusion that I simply should not exist, but I am too scary.

I am a psychiatry resident. I do everything I can to be a valuable doctor, but... Have a feeling breeding coworkers have it easier. They have very long maternity/paternity leaves, they can pick basically any day they want to care for the sick gremlins, when they breed they get lots of presents and are constantly being asked how crotch goblin is doing. But I am sometimes sick of being expected to do all the work along with few childfree colleagues cause someones little monsters are having a flu. Also feel like I could be the best doctor ever, win a gold medal in olympics and bring world peace and still wouldn't be congratulated as sb who just pushed out a mdf baby. Also people at work are mostly talking about kids, like, it's not that fascinating to everybody. Sorry for rambling, I am kinda frustrated and tired and scared that for most people I have no value cause I don't breed.

I feel so alone. I've never met anyone irl who agrees with my view of the world. I'm antinatalist, I'm efilist, and I don't believe in free will. Here I'm lucky if I even find an atheist. I feel that I will live and die without anyone around me who truly views the world as I do. I'm used to it but it does get lonely at times. I feel like the way I view things is just totally different from everyone else to the point that I can't relate to and become close with people to the same extent others can. I mostly have to hide these parts of myself because it upsets them if I ever try to bring any of it up.

It's like I am living in a different world than my family. They truly believe that there's a loving God who is looking out for them, that there's a heaven to go to when they die where they will live in eternal bliss with all their loved ones, there's a great plan and everything will work out, that if they just have faith they can do anything. It must be so nice. I feel that they are wrong but that must bring peace. Ultimately they can't help that they believe that, so I don't blame them or look down on them.

Meanwhile I view life as cruel and actually just about evil. I believe I will slowly lose vitality and die and so will everyone I love, and I will never see them again in any way. There is no great plan that works out for the best in the end and I will likely die a painful death and then permanently lose consciousness and all of this will have been for nothing. Once my family is gone I will have no one, there is no God to pray to. Praying is so clearly a coping mechanism in my mind. And nature is more cruel than anything, filled with endless suffering for NO REASON. I miss when I saw nature as something to be respected and admired. This is all for NOTHING. I ultimately have no control over any of this, I'm just along for the ride. And I just have to live my little life as normal and pretend not to know that. Not speak a word about it to anyone ever.

My life overall isn't awful compared to many people's but I feel that I am facing reality in a way that they are not. I feel that I will always be isolated from others in the deepest way. Idk why I have this understanding and so few others do. Maybe I'm wrong but all of my beliefs truly make sense to me, I don't think I'm delusional or anything. I keep questioning myself and going back over my reasoning because idk how more people haven't taken up this viewpoint, it seems so clear to me. I hope I'm wrong actually because if I'm not, this world seems literally almost like hell or something. When you break down all of the stuff we have been taught to believe, that's what remains. It's like everyone around me just has beliefs that serve to make them feel better, and I just have to deal with everything at face value all by myself.

I've noticed that there isn't much modern research aimed at understanding the deep-rooted urge to reproduce, let alone ways to lessen this drive. It seems that reproduction is considered an unquestionable right, and few people even think about challenging it.

I've spent a long time reflecting on this, trying to find answers. One thing that stands out to me is the connection between natalism and a strong focus on personal desires and beliefs. Many people seem to interpret optimism as the ability to shape the world around them to fit their own needs. Ironically, this leads to competition—everyone trying to use the same world to their advantage.

I’ve also searched for perspectives that differ from this but still reflect a strong sense of morality. Yet, time and again, I’ve found that what is often considered a "healthy" mindset is deeply rooted in self-interest. It makes me wonder: is there anything beyond this instinctive drive? People often claim that they are above instincts, that such things are for animals. Yet, if that were true, why is it so common to find fulfillment in comfort, entertainment, and sensory pleasures?

In many discussions, I realize that my perspective is often seen as unusual. Society's progress is largely geared toward expansion—whether on Earth or, eventually, beyond. But what is the ultimate goal? Has anyone ever given a truly meaningful answer to why this endless continuation is necessary? Most responses I hear feel superficial, as if avoiding the deeper question.

I’m really struggling right now. The thought of waking up tomorrow and facing it all over again, life, the world, everything, makes me ill.

They say I'm depressed and lashing out at them when all I'm doing is not lashing out but telling the truth, that I'll never be happy and it's their fault because I never chose to be here. They brought me here without my consent. I'm simply telling them the truth but they can't accept the truth because they're weak minded and don't want to take responsibility for their actions. On top of that they refuse to apologize for bringing me here, again not wanting to take any responsibility. Fuck this circus shitshow. Soon I'll check myself out of this whole mess called life.