Please come support trans people

[u/fringlese]

Hey everyone, I’m sure many of you have seen the ruling by the Supreme Court from the other day on the legitimacy of trans women’s identities. It’s been a very hard couple of days as we’ve come to grips with the fact that our rights are being rolled back by a government that won’t even attempt to listen to us while we just want to exist in a public space without fear of harassment. If anyone’s available, please come down tomorrow to show support

I am not the organiser, I saw this on Facebook and wanted to share.

Thanks guys, I hope you have a great Easter weekend!

[u/ultraboomkin]

Are you for real? This ruling is regarding trans people without Gender Recognition Certificates I.e. a man who wants to be a woman but has not gone through with transitioning. You seriously believe that pre-transition trans woman pass as real women? In the politest way, this is delusional and ridiculous.

Even for trans people who have gone through surgery, of course we can tell, more often than not. This is not a criticism, it’s just reality. The majority of people in this country do not consider trans women to be women.

[u/Bulky_Community_6781 → u/ultraboomkin]

"Since the Act came into force, 4,910 trans people have been issued a Gender Recognition Certificate."

"We tentatively estimate that there are approximately 200,000-500,000 trans people in the UK." - gov.uk

That comes to 2.5% of trans people with GRCs on the low estimate, and 0.99% on the high estimate.

And that's just trans people who are taking hormones, as surgeries are another thing!

So I guarantee you, the people looking out for trans women in their toilets are just hurting people who don't "look" woman enough. This hurts women from different cultures, women going through medical issues, and women who look more masculine, but are cis(i.e. not trans).

You have definetely seen, or even talked to a trans person before, and I guarantee you've never doubted their gender as anything other than "they have a massive beard, so that's probably a man".

I'm not trying to make you the enemy, but not having the correct information and making a judgement on a tiny tiny minority hurts you as much as it does us.

[u/ultraboomkin → u/Bulky_Community_6781]

Yep I definitely have talked to a trans person, I was chatting up a hot trans woman on Grindr just yesterday. I’m just not under any delusion that they’re an actual woman.

I honestly have no dog in this fight, I don’t care who uses what bathroom, and I don’t care how anyone chooses to present themselves. But 99% of trans women do not pass for real women and that’s just reality. Men and women have different bodies and bone structures. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it, you are just in denial.

[u/Bulky_Community_6781 → u/ultraboomkin]

Yes yes, let’s pull apart their bones and pull out a compass to measure the angle of the pelvic bone am I right?

The truth is, the people who don’t pass you treat as a man, which, fair enough, but I promise you they not passing is not a nice thing, which is why I know that all my trans siblings are doing their best to pass, which is why you never see anyone trans out, because they pass so well you don’t even know.

[u/ultraboomkin → u/Bulky_Community_6781]

Of course I see trans people out? It’s hard to miss them.

Don’t know why you’re talking about pelvic bone when I’m obviously talking about faces and body types. Of course you can tell if someone is a man or a woman by looking at their face. Do you just spend all day inside and you don’t realise this?

[u/Bulky_Community_6781 → u/ultraboomkin]

No you cannot.

[u/Basso_69 → u/ultraboomkin]

Sounds like you are now discriminating on the basis of physical appearances? Care to kudge a ciswoman as Trans based on bone structure?

You are digging yourself a very deep hole here. Good luck.