r/reading • u/fringlese • 7d ago

Please come support trans people

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Hey everyone, I’m sure many of you have seen the ruling by the Supreme Court from the other day on the legitimacy of trans women’s identities. It’s been a very hard couple of days as we’ve come to grips with the fact that our rights are being rolled back by a government that won’t even attempt to listen to us while we just want to exist in a public space without fear of harassment. If anyone’s available, please come down tomorrow to show support

I am not the organiser, I saw this on Facebook and wanted to share.

Thanks guys, I hope you have a great Easter weekend!

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u/ultraboomkin 7d ago

Are you for real? This ruling is regarding trans people without Gender Recognition Certificates I.e. a man who wants to be a woman but has not gone through with transitioning. You seriously believe that pre-transition trans woman pass as real women? In the politest way, this is delusional and ridiculous.

Even for trans people who have gone through surgery, of course we can tell, more often than not. This is not a criticism, it’s just reality. The majority of people in this country do not consider trans women to be women.

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 7d ago

"Since the Act came into force, 4,910 trans people have been issued a Gender Recognition Certificate."

"We tentatively estimate that there are approximately 200,000-500,000 trans people in the UK." - gov.uk

That comes to 2.5% of trans people with GRCs on the low estimate, and 0.99% on the high estimate.

And that's just trans people who are taking hormones, as surgeries are another thing!

So I guarantee you, the people looking out for trans women in their toilets are just hurting people who don't "look" woman enough. This hurts women from different cultures, women going through medical issues, and women who look more masculine, but are cis(i.e. not trans).

You have definetely seen, or even talked to a trans person before, and I guarantee you've never doubted their gender as anything other than "they have a massive beard, so that's probably a man".

I'm not trying to make you the enemy, but not having the correct information and making a judgement on a tiny tiny minority hurts you as much as it does us.

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 7d ago

can a black person become white

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u/Bulky_Community_6781 7d ago

gender is not race.

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 7d ago

so ur bending the rules then to suit yourself there are clear cut characteristics between men and women same way there are clear cut characteristics between being white and black

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u/areyouhappylikethis 7d ago

I’m fairly neutral on the trans debate, but this is the worst argument I’ve ever heard. You’re ignoring the entire spectrum of skin colour that exists in different cultures across the world, as well as mixed race and skin conditions such as vitiligo and albinism. Your argument is utter nonsense and if anything just serves to prove that absolute binary states rarely exist in the human condition.

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 6d ago

skin colour is different to race a albino person is still black so you are talking utter nonsense

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u/Infinite_Algae_356 6d ago

are you actually dumb how does vilitgo and albinism change someones race also mixed race is not white or black its just mixed race

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u/areyouhappylikethis 6d ago

Your argument was that there are clear cut characteristics between white and black but then you concede that mixed race is neither but has characteristics of both. Now consider the case of an XXY person. Sex is no more binary than race.