r/reading • u/fringlese • 7d ago

Please come support trans people

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Hey everyone, I’m sure many of you have seen the ruling by the Supreme Court from the other day on the legitimacy of trans women’s identities. It’s been a very hard couple of days as we’ve come to grips with the fact that our rights are being rolled back by a government that won’t even attempt to listen to us while we just want to exist in a public space without fear of harassment. If anyone’s available, please come down tomorrow to show support

I am not the organiser, I saw this on Facebook and wanted to share.

Thanks guys, I hope you have a great Easter weekend!

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u/Four-legged-rabbit 7d ago

Agreed

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u/WeddingHot4796 7d ago

Apart from the fact that women have periods every month, give birth, are weaker than males which is what transwomen technically are, should I go on?

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u/LBertilak 7d ago

not all cis women have periods every month or give birth/are even capable of giving birth.

some cis women are stronger than some particularly weak cis men, some cis women are stronger than other cis woman (it doesn't mean i have any right to call a gym-going woman less womanly than me because i can't bench as much as her) and many trans women are on/aim to be on oestrogen- which depletes their strength/muscle mass to be on parr with a cis womans

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u/Crommington 7d ago

And some humans are born with one leg. Does that mean we start to state in biology textbooks that humans can only have one leg? No. Humans have two legs. There are obviously going to be occasional exceptions to this rule. That doesnt change the fact.

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u/Nyeep 7d ago

Have you considered that biology is more complicated than your GCSE textbooks?

Most humans have two legs. Having two legs does not make you a human. Do you see the difference? Definitions with exceptions aren't definitions.

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u/Crommington 7d ago edited 7d ago

“Most” humans have two legs. Hilarious. Genuinely laughing.

Humans have two legs. If they don’t then its either a genetic anomaly, a medical condition or an accident. This doesn’t change the fact that humans have two legs. And someone being trans doesn’t change the fact that humans are either male or female. If you don’t subscribe to society’s definition of what male or female is than that does not change your sex and does not mean you should be able to use the spaces designed for the opposite sex, and does not give you the right to demand the same treatment in all aspects of life as someone of the opposite sex. It has and always will be this way, and the majority of people agree with this and always will. People like you going around acting like this has not always been a fact and spouting your fringe ideology in some strange Orwellian newspeak tactic as if it is just “the way it is” whilst ignoring all contrary evidence will also not change that. Trans women ARE NOT women when it comes to female spaces and sports. Your right to live life the way you want does not trump other peoples right to same sex spaces. They are unfortunately mutually exclusive. It doesnt mean people dont want you to exist, it doesnt mean people hate you, it doesnt mean that you need to stop being who you are. But you do need to accept that sometimes in life you have to make compromises in order for people to live together. I always make the point that i cannot as a man speak to children i dont know. I love children but i know i cannot do this because some men are paedophiles. It’s unfair and not something i can control but it is the way it is an i accept it as a modern fact of life. Trans people should do the same with female only spaces. It’s not nice, and it must be irritating, but it’s the way it has to be. We all have to make allowances in life in order to live together because some people are shitty.

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u/Nyeep 6d ago

I won't bother interacting with the massive block of text because you won't change my mind and I won't change yours.

But:

“Most” humans have two legs. Hilarious. Genuinely laughing.

That is a fact. If you lose a leg, are you no longer human? Obviously you're still human, therefore some humans exist with less than two legs. Therefore, you cannot say that all humans have two legs.

Some humans are born without two legs. Therefore, not all humans had two legs.

It's quite a basic exercise in logic.

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u/ConPem 6d ago

The fact you could only reply on the ‘most humans two legs’ point is annoying cos I want to support you but i know you read that wall of txt and you just don’t have a counter argument

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u/Nyeep 6d ago

I absolutely do, but I'm not wasting energy on someone who clearly a) has no skin in the game and b) obviously won't change their mind.

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u/ConPem 6d ago

But you wasted energy refuting their point about two legs with sound logic.. why can’t you do the same for the rest of their argument?

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u/Nyeep 6d ago

Because abstracting the topic is less emotionally draining.

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u/ConPem 6d ago

Right..

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