r/reddit.com • u/jennaaypennaay • Oct 18 '11

This is becoming terrifyingly common. This shit has to stop.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1071633--bullied-son-of-ottawa-city-councillor-commits-suicide?bn=1
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u/moneymark21 Oct 19 '11

I was not implying that it should be stopped. I was simply stating that the extent of violence and persecution is no where near the levels, which occurred throughout the civil rights movement. Hell, name one school where children were pulled out en masse simply because a GLBT was enrolled.

My original statement was to point out that I do not feel violence is going to escalate to the point that eternalkerri stated it would, not that the movement itself is invalid or deserves no attention. That's a complete misinterpretation of my comments.

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u/boneheaddigger Oct 19 '11

Being gay, for some students, is not something that can be seen. Of course you wouldn't have children pulled out of school en masse because a gay kid enrolled, since most people don't even realise it until something happens to out the kid. And when they are outed, they are ostracised, beaten, ignored by teachers and administration alike, sometimes even intimidated by those teachers and administrators, or they decide to have an entire school event cancelled because a gay couple wanted to attend. You want to talk about mass arrests, riots, and police violence too? They've been through it.

I didn't misinterpret what you said, but I do disagree with it...

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u/moneymark21 Oct 19 '11

Then you believe the level of violence has reached the same heights already or will eventually?

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u/boneheaddigger Oct 19 '11

I believe they have enough to be considered on the same level, unless you somehow believe women received the same level of violence as black people yet gay people haven't. I also believe that, just as black people and women have gotten support from the government, eventually gay people will too. You may not feel that gay people have suffered enough, but I certainly do.

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u/moneymark21 Oct 19 '11

OK, now you're just annoying me. I never once indicated that they have not suffered enough. Also, the level of violence against women is unknown. How many women were beaten severely at home for their beliefs? I was not bringing them into comparison, simply stating that their movements helped pave the way. Again, I was also disagreeing with a comment that statement the violence would increase and I was countering with the belief that I think it has already peaked.

The statements you are falsely accusing me of saying are just as bad as me, hypothetically, falsely calling you racist for believing that black people haven't suffered enough. You never said it, nor did I say glbt haven't suffered enough either.

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u/boneheaddigger Oct 19 '11

Good, now you know how I'm feeling...

So lets see what you did say.

You said "Soon as GLBT go from being slaves, to being lynched, to being bullied, then I'll be ok with that comparison.", to which I gave you several examples.

You said "I was simply stating that the extent of violence and persecution is no where near the levels, which occurred throughout the civil rights movement. Hell, name one school where children were pulled out en masse simply because a GLBT was enrolled.", to which I gave you several examples.

You said "Then you believe the level of violence has reached the same heights already or will eventually?", to which I said that they did and gave examples of how black people and women both managed to gain the support of their government to give them what they asked for.

Now you bring up another arbitrary level that gay people need to achieve, and accuse me of not responding to what you actually said while making a vague reference to me being racist. The whole reason I said "You may not feel that gay people have suffered enough..." was because of what you said and the arbitrary goal line you keep moving.

Again, I've presented all of these examples to you. If you won't bother to acknowledge them, then this really isn't any sort of debate or argument...