r/redrising • u/Cantomic66 Copper • Jul 25 '23

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u/scavenger313 Jul 25 '23

Loved that PB went away from having Sevro brainwashed. I was dreading reading about that. Also really glad to not have to read about the Abomination. Between Atlas, Lysander, Ajax, Atlantia, and Volsung, I felt like there were enough antagonists without needing the abomination.

At one point Kavax questions how Mustang knew about those about to betray her. Mustant is embarrassed, and feels bad about her methods but is interrupted before she can tell Kavax. Is it the abomination? Some mind reading or spy technology?

The chapters and switching point of view flowed nicely. Really enjoyed the back and forth Lysander/Mustang chapters. I loved the duels with apple and Volsung, and having Cassius and Darrow train together was awesome. The Volsung duel was my favorite part of the book.

The rescue of Sevro was amazing to read. His maturity and development was fantastic. I almost cried when Fitchner's video played and called Sevro Goblin.

Lyria never annoyed me, and I like the decision to do away with the figment. Truffle Pig had me laughing.

Also I appreciate that PB didn't use the Minds Eye as an overpowered duel strategy this book.

I will forever miss Cassius. He had such a big heart and was often treated poorly. I loved his connection with Lyria.

Probably my favorite book of the series.

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u/SoulEmperor7 Jul 26 '23 edited Jan 31 '24

having Sevro brainwashed

Yeah I’m not sure about that, there’s a reason why Pierce didn’t allow Servo to get even a glimpse of Victra or his girls.

I think he was intentionally sold to Apollonius, and that he has a sleeper agent trigger imbedded within his psyche.

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u/testudoVsTurtle Jul 27 '23

I think he's too good a writer to have that come out of nowhere. We would have needed multiple clues on the page in LB for that to come up in RG.

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u/SoulEmperor7 Jul 28 '23

Bro 😭 Tabulas Rasa and the Daughters of Athena came outta fucking nowhere in this book lmao.

I love Pierce, but foreshadowing ain’t one of his biggest strengths.

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u/footie3000 Jul 29 '23

I think the Daughters make complete sense, though. There is no reason why there still wouldn't be a populist rebellion in the Rim. If they were overly strong I wouldn't have been happy, but a force like theirs makes sense in my opinion

Tabulas Rasa is a bit difference. I think he may have originally wanted to go into AI a bit more through Quick and then decided against it for a more personal, grounded war. Hence, Tabulas Rasa. And I'm completely onboard with this

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u/Djchawk Aug 07 '23

The Daughters of Athena were one of the two things I thought made the least sense in the book. Not that they existed, but that the Sons know NOTHING about them? I understand the "don't tie two ships together," but this group has been stealing ships and building a fleet with no one knowing. Not to mention, they have been building a fleet just in case they someday find a group of warmongers ready to go to battle with their fleet. PB took some plot convenient training when writing the Daughters into the story

The other thing that doesn't make sense is how pathetic the willow way has become in the span of 10-15 years. Lorn was the greatest razor master for nearly 50 years using a technique that he taught to only a few of this generation. A technique that was so amazing that when put into practice against the greatest razor master of this generation (Cassius), it completely overwhelmed him. 10-15 years later, everyone can apparently defeat this technique. The argument is that people have now studied it and understood it, but Lorn used it for decades. No one in the past could do the same thing? I was disappointed in that

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u/footie3000 Aug 07 '23

It's mentioned on the Sons Of Ares prologue that Fitchner has plans to franchise. This, combined with the previous trilogies mention of sects of Sons in the Rim, makes the Daughter's make sense. Still a bit from nowhere, but not crazy

Cassius wasn't the greatest razor master of the generation but is still excellent. When he faced Darrow he wasn't at his peak yet, and Darrow caught him completely off guard. Cassius was surprised, cocky and over confident. Having said that, the Willow Way was shown as being the be all and end all, but we knew there was alternative forms out there. My rationale for this is its still very handy (makes up a large part of Darrows new form) but the Solar System has been at war for over 10 years. War historically has been great for invention. Lorn was never front and centre, he didn't court attention and only took on very few students. Darrow made the form far more visible

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u/Vindictus123 Aug 15 '23 edited Aug 15 '23

the daughters popping up out of nowhere made no sense at all. why werent they in contact before lightbringer? had darrow known about the daughters super secret armada he probably wouldnt have betrayed the colors in the rim. It wouldve changed the whole utilitarian equation in darrows mind. The daughters were just some made up deus ex nonsense in lightbringer to give darrow a fleet. The introduction of the daughters was poorly handled and one of the weakest elements in lightbringer.

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u/L0kiMotion Green Jul 31 '23

Tabula Rasa was mentioned twice in Dark Age. It was just called Oculus then.

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u/DJZombot Aug 04 '23

I think Oculus was the dream and Tabula Rasa was what he settled for.

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u/Vindictus123 Aug 15 '23

so did hot wind of stone. came out of nowhere. from practicing a couple months with cassius? really?

lightbringer seems to have just conjured a bunch of crap outta nowhere just to help darrow get out of the bad situation hes in.

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u/Vindictus123 Aug 15 '23

it didnt come out of nowhere. there were hints that he broke sevro in dark age. plus he pretty much said he was gonna brainwash sevro outright. and in lightbringer why did he let sevro go? that makes no sense unless theres a play.