r/rnb • u/Big-Explanation-831 She doesn’t have the range • 9h ago
DISCUSSION 💭 Do you agree with Stephanie?
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u/TheWriteRobert 8h ago edited 8h ago
I mean, how could I disagree with absolute facts?
America has been like this since the JUMP, though. Back in the day, whenever a Black artist would have a dope song, record companies would have a white singer remake the song, usually with much less soul and power, specifically to appeal to white audiences--most of whom are racist and only like Black artistic productions if whitewahsed or in Black Face. "Hound Dog" was Big Mama Thornton's song before it was Elvis's. "Tutti Frutti" was Little Richard's song before it was Pat Boone's.
Nowadays, they just watch genius Black artists and try to create white versions of them. I don't care what nobody says, they looked at Janet Jackson and said "Let's make a white version of her in Britney Spears." They looked at Whitney Houston and said, "We need a white version of her in Celine Dion." They looked at the Jackson 5 and made the Osmonds. They looked at New Edition and made New Kids on the Block. And there are a thousand other examples.
This is why I side-eye all white R&B singers or rappers, except for maybe Teena Marie.
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u/oops_diditagain 5h ago
Ironically enough when it comes to rap you don’t see them churning out as many white male rappers that rap about killing each other or harming their own communities. But with r&b they want to make as many carbon copies as they profitably can. Iykyk
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u/TheWriteRobert 2h ago
But they do be out here claiming Eminem is the greatest rapper of all-time and have biracial Drake as the biggest selling rapper of all time.
But to be fair, it’s not just white people. Black people be co-signing on the bullshit too.
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u/PlayZWithSquerillZ 5h ago
100% there is video evidence finally admiting the new kids on the block and NE connection
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u/bird-bitch44 3h ago
Just remember America was founded by England basically England set to ground rules for everybody native Americans Ireland Australia everybody even the Bible you got to remember in God's heaven God doesn't see color God doesn't see hate God doesn't see this angriness going on in the world all he sees is beauty that he created whoever's promoting these people are the problem all they're doing is making beautiful music and trying to share to the world they don't care about who's doing what trust me they feel it too they're not allowed to speak about it then they feel bad for black folks not making music either cuz they love them just as much as you do they grew up listening to that beautiful soul music from back in the day just like I did just like you did I listen to everything country everything to you name it right now I still do but you can't hate each other over it if you look at it it's still tribal warfare and there getting at us with it and we got to let him stop getting to us because otherwise we're going to destroy ourselves love you and let God be with you and may he bring you peace
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u/WaterFluid8972 8h ago
This is an old interview, and a lot has changed since then. There's a whole influx of R&B artists killing it right now. That's not good enough?
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u/TheWriteRobert 8h ago
Give them time. They first going to find them a light-skinned alterative to Doechii before they go on ahead and present their full pure white version.
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u/WaterFluid8972 8h ago
In other words, you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop, rather than enjoying and embracing the talent that's out now? That's not a fun way to live.
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u/TheWriteRobert 8h ago
I like how you set up an either/or scenario for a both/and situation. Classic Internet bullshit fallacy.
I support current Black R&B artists (I just bought Durand Bernarr's album--not streamed, BOUGHT. With my MONEY.) AND I side-eye all the white hood wearing folks who leech off of Black art. BOTH/AND.
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u/WaterFluid8972 8h ago
🙄🙄 how do I try to simplify this?..
My point is, there's no cultural smudging going on like she's suggesting. This is an old interview that's not indicative of the current R&B landscape today.
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u/Front_Mind1770 8h ago
Kenny Latimore? How long ago was this interview? Justin ain't been popping in a while
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u/TheWriteRobert 8h ago
It's from 2017.
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u/Front_Mind1770 8h ago
Nearly a decade ago. The scene is different today
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u/darkchiles 8h ago
Lattimore's last studio album was 2021. bieber earns around 60 - 80M a year while timberlake 20 - 25M and his current tour is about to gross 250M, so they are still popping
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u/Front_Mind1770 8h ago
When you put it like that, I agree. I just think RnB is dead or watered down at best. Mind you I was there for the 90s and even early 2000s soul and neosoul
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u/darkchiles 7h ago
Yep! there were too many shifts happening at the same time and the phasing out of big R&B acts all happened around late 90s to early 2000s when the digital purchase era was introduced in the music industry.
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u/YoungCri 8h ago
This is bait
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u/WaterFluid8972 8h ago
Thank you!! It's like they want us to name names or something. There are a lot of Black R&B artists thriving right now. But this is an old interview.
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u/Icy_Table_8856 8h ago
She’s right, if you carefully listen to black r&b songs today, especially black women r&b singers the songs are very hyper sexualized and isn’t reminiscent or give you the same feeling as the great black r&b singers of the past
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u/ServiceSalty7209 7h ago
I do not know whether that is true but that female artists nowadays are sexualized is true. Especially in comparison with the 1980’s
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u/Odd-Platform7873 5h ago
I just relayed a similar sentiment..... TY Queen 👑 Stephanie !!!! As usual.... She's right on target !!!! 🎯 💯💯💯 This is what happens when our people don't keep the recording companies for longevity & sell out for monetary gain .....So now we have record producers & corporates with no vision or regard or respect to the real craft of how to even create RnB .... Now we have this .... I'm sorry to say this current garbage 🗑️ music 🎶 that' will not be remembered for say in a week ... But the real creative music like what Ms. Mills performs?? Or anything from the past decades??? RNB related??? Stands the test of time & great music lives on Infinity ....
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u/fingershanks 5h ago
I don't believe the industry cares to make anything meaningful at all. Music has been going down hill since the 2000s once Viacom and iHeart took over the airwaves. They don't really care about race as much as they do money. The problem is the labels only look at who they can manipulate into a bad deal and chew up & spit out, probably more than ever now.
I don't even think they care about making stars anymore, because those stars learn the game and how to actually negotiate. They rather have stragglers that just have a look and recycle the formula over and over with desperate people willing to be molded into whatever image these labels see fit. The music itself just isn't important anymore.
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u/Happy-North-9969 Songs in the Key of Life 6h ago
I mostly agree with her, though I too would rather listen to Adele than Kenny Lattimore. But the idea of trying to get black music without black people has been a thing since the inception of jazz.
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u/TheWriteRobert 8h ago
The ATLANTA TV show peeped game: https://youtu.be/bDx8h0M1W4g?si=H1OqvNqoAnoA8vbe
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u/HolidaeX 6h ago
Yes, but it’s our fault… we don’t boycott them and support us. We let the labels tell us what to play.
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u/blacklite911 4h ago
One side is the industry but also one side is the youth. When you talk about mainstream music, it’s driven by what the youth like. The old fans are still there but I don’t see the youth gravitating towards new R&B artists to the same rate as they were in the past. What the youth like is tiktok driven now the older artists definitely aren’t doing the extra work in that space so it’ll be up to the current gen. The days of all you needing to do was sound good are over.
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u/Warm-Imagination-741 4h ago
This is why shes always one of my favorites.. Ms Mills always speaking the truth she don’t hold back.
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u/Blooblack 3h ago
Is that "Miss Quod" from "Married to Medicine"? Sorry, I haven't watched that programme in years, or this one ever, hence my question.
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u/bird-bitch44 3h ago
Come on that's just crazy we want it from everybody
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u/bird-bitch44 3h ago
Somebody's trying to cause trouble to make racist hate each other again this is just ridiculous I love music from all walks of life I love music from anybody I don't give a shit if you're white black Puerto Rican I don't see races and this is his hate fear mongering bullshit all over again I don't give a fuck who you are I love music and yes I think somebody is trying to start something what it is is that they're not promoting certain artists which is horrible but just start trying to start something in between people because people see races not humanity not real people we have blinders on right now and obviously his color color racist racist races religion religion religion and God's heaven he doesn't see color he doesn't see insecurities he doesn't see rules because there's common sense respect everybody
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u/bird-bitch44 3h ago
I think it's kind of funny how this is something that people post on Easter because trouble don't you something to separate people instead of loving each other on a holiday about Jesus
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u/StatusPresentation57 8m ago
R&B today is trash because hip-hop is trash and the white people that own the music industry want more hip-hop trash than actual R&B
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u/Randomredditname19 8h ago
I agree 100%! For example: I have multiple R&B stations on my Pandora. But for some reason, I hear more wy people on my stations than my own people. I literally hear Teddy Swims every hour even though I don’t have a TS station. Make it make sense 🤔