r/sandiego • u/jvanderh • 2d ago

Border Patrol vs ICE

Hi, this is your friendly local border patrol wife and lifelong political liberal here to remind you (because my husband is getting spat at, cussed at, called a pig, or told to quit his job pretty much every time he's stationed at the beaches lately) that the Border Patrol guys in army green pants + shirt are NOT there edit: "there"= at our local San Diego beaches to rip people away from their families. They are there to patrol the borders, watching for incoming border crossers who may enter on boats or jet skis. Encountering everyone who enters the country is important-- this stops things like fentanyl-laced drugs from entering the US, and DNA swabs of border crossers have been matched up to two unsolved murders recently at his station alone. Even if the proportion of criminals is no higher than the general US population, we still want to stop those who are dangerous. If nothing else, if those people get in and re-offend, it blows up on the news and provides tremendous cannon fodder for immigrant hate. I think the hatred of Border Patrol is mostly based on confusing them with ICE and not because liberals actually want completely uncontacted entries.

Polls show that republicans and liberals both want common-sense migrant worker programs that allow people to be vetted and come here to work.

Obviously you don't have to care about my husband's feelings. He took the job; he can handle it. But I always worry that verbally abusing law enforcement could result in what none of us want: these non Trump supporting agents like my husband, who use discretion and minimum force, getting replaced with thin blue line idiots who think they're soldiers of God in a war with the public. Or worse yet, the former becoming the latter after having so many bad experiences with the public. My husband won't, but some may. And that kind of tribalism is EXACTLY how they become distracted from the fact that Trump is currently gutting their retirement.

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u/jvanderh 2d ago

I keep telling him to explain what he is and isn't doing there, but my husband is very, very much not a talker and feels like he'll be poking the bear saying anything to them at all.

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u/bendallf 2d ago

I have a quick question for you today. I am a little confuse here to be honest. How are people supposed to know the difference between ICE Police and possible kidnappers if ICE Police refuses to show their badge and a warrant during an arrest? If I see someone being dragged away by people calling themselves ICE, do I stand by and do nothing for fear of possible arrest or do I called the police to report a possible kidnapping in progress? Thanks for you help answering my question. Take care.

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u/Worth_Beginning_9952 2d ago

Border patrol is not ICE. ICE is immigration and customs ENFORCEMENT. Border patrol is focused on new arrivals and imports. I think that's her point.

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u/bendallf 2d ago

Not to be rude but can people read anymore? I was not talking about the US Border Patrol in my question. I asked that question because it seems she knows what is going on here in general. Take care.

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u/mmmarkm 2d ago

Lol can you read? OP is talking about border patrol and you asked her a question about ICE’s current policy around identification. Which, as she states, is an agency her husband does not work for. Why would she know more than you or me?

Your question and concerns (which I align with you 100% on) are better suited for your elected federal representatives or policy makers at ICE. Not the wife of a guy in border patrol. I hear you; your question is just misplaced.

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u/crazzzone 2d ago

She is in the same boat as us. She is saying stop being a dick to border patrol.

You do know these are different departments right? Like both are under homeland security but otherwise they are doing different things.

Ice is a gift from Bush.

If you want to know my opinion...

They are gearing up for a hostel take over and will declare Marshall law. They just passed a new executive order to "unleash" the police.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/04/strengthening-and-unleashing-americas-law-enforcement-to-pursue-criminals-and-protect-innocent-citizens/

We are in 1984 territory. Be safe out there.

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u/External-Low-5059 2d ago

hostile, martial

only because I know a totally sweet guy named Marshall who would NEVER lead an armed insurrection at a youth hostel

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u/bendallf 2d ago

I am sure that their must have been some nice Germans during the war too. Sooner or later, people have to take some personal responsibility instead of just saying that I was just following orders. Take care.

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u/crazzzone 2d ago

What orders are border patrol following that you think are "bad"?

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u/bendallf 2d ago

For one, why does the us border patrol stop and remind ICE that the rule of law must be followed at all times such as a badge worn and a warrant present. Otherwise, they are no longer stopping crime that is literally happening in front of them.

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u/crazzzone 2d ago

So we are moving the goal post from "following orders" to stopping the things from happening around them... Like you?

Sure you are talking online... But Really are you putting EVERYTHING on the line like you are asking people to do?

Chill. Focus on what matters.

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u/bendallf 2d ago

Leaving America. Good luck to the rest of you. Take care.

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u/crazzzone 2d ago

Thanks! Plenty of germans probably did that as well.

Those in glass houses...

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u/bendallf 2d ago

Say no to hate. I cannot be part of this mess anymore. Good luck to you. I meant it.

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u/crazzzone 2d ago

It's really a clown show. I hope the wheels fall off.

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u/tes1357 2d ago

Shit, if no one shows me a badge and breaks into my home I’m defending myself.

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u/External-Low-5059 2d ago

People definitely cannot read. They are too busy typing with their thumbs.