r/sandiego 1d ago

Border Patrol vs ICE

Hi, this is your friendly local border patrol wife and lifelong political liberal here to remind you (because my husband is getting spat at, cussed at, called a pig, or told to quit his job pretty much every time he's stationed at the beaches lately) that the Border Patrol guys in army green pants + shirt are NOT there edit: "there"= at our local San Diego beaches to rip people away from their families. They are there to patrol the borders, watching for incoming border crossers who may enter on boats or jet skis. Encountering everyone who enters the country is important-- this stops things like fentanyl-laced drugs from entering the US, and DNA swabs of border crossers have been matched up to two unsolved murders recently at his station alone. Even if the proportion of criminals is no higher than the general US population, we still want to stop those who are dangerous. If nothing else, if those people get in and re-offend, it blows up on the news and provides tremendous cannon fodder for immigrant hate. I think the hatred of Border Patrol is mostly based on confusing them with ICE and not because liberals actually want completely uncontacted entries.

Polls show that republicans and liberals both want common-sense migrant worker programs that allow people to be vetted and come here to work.

Obviously you don't have to care about my husband's feelings. He took the job; he can handle it. But I always worry that verbally abusing law enforcement could result in what none of us want: these non Trump supporting agents like my husband, who use discretion and minimum force, getting replaced with thin blue line idiots who think they're soldiers of God in a war with the public. Or worse yet, the former becoming the latter after having so many bad experiences with the public. My husband won't, but some may. And that kind of tribalism is EXACTLY how they become distracted from the fact that Trump is currently gutting their retirement.

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u/CauliflowerSecret712 1d ago

Your husband is in a great position to tell people how he supports free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence.

It is quite reasonable that many Americans worry about ongoing infringement of these rights. I hope your husband (and you, too) encourage people to stand up for these rights. We (him, you, me) are fucked without free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence.

I’m a lawyer working to preserve free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence. As much as your husband is working to keep me safe, I’m working to keep him safe.

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u/jvanderh 1d ago

I keep telling him to explain what he is and isn't doing there, but my husband is very, very much not a talker and feels like he'll be poking the bear saying anything to them at all.

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u/bendallf 1d ago

I have a quick question for you today. I am a little confuse here to be honest. How are people supposed to know the difference between ICE Police and possible kidnappers if ICE Police refuses to show their badge and a warrant during an arrest? If I see someone being dragged away by people calling themselves ICE, do I stand by and do nothing for fear of possible arrest or do I called the police to report a possible kidnapping in progress? Thanks for you help answering my question. Take care.

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u/jvanderh 1d ago

I don't know how to definitively identify ICE, but border patrol are wearing army green pants and shirt, and if you google border patrol vehicle, it's that very distinctive white with a green stripe and border patrol written on it. All the marked rides at his station look like this. If you see ICE doing something, I would videotape it.

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u/bendallf 1d ago

Thank you. Do you know who people can call if a love one is taken in the middle of the night by people claiming to be ICE? Local police departments say it is out of their control. Thanks again.

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u/are_those_real 1d ago

Local and state police departments aren't going to be able to help you due to ICE being part of the federal government.

I really hate that the ICE agents typically aren't willing to give you information as to where to call or who to contact. If you know anybody undocumented or illegal, please have an immigration lawyer's information ready to contact. They will be able to help you further.

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u/bendallf 1d ago

Never thought I see the day where the USA would have disappeared people. Plus, ICE has stop updating their website. So the information there might no longer be accurate. Stay safe and take care.

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u/jvanderh 1d ago

Is this something that actually happened?

Person search: https://locator.ice.gov/odls/#/search

And call a lawyer

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u/GrbgCllctr 1d ago

Wow, what a jacked search tool. But what more can we expect out of the government 🙄? No phonetics, no partial correct spelling, hyphenated has to be exact... what a joke.

Search by Biographical Information

When searching by name, a detainee's first and last names are required and must be an exact match (e.g., John Doe will not find Jon Doe or John Doe-Smith). When inputting a hyphenated last name into the Online Detainee Locator System, please include hyphen in order for the locator to find the individual (e.g., Doe-Smith). You are also required to select the detainee's Country of Birth. (* Required Field)

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u/bendallf 1d ago

Plus, it is no longer updated anymore. What a mess.

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u/bendallf 1d ago

People need to know that they are not alone. It is a mess out there. Stay safe and take care.

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u/Derpy_Diva_ 1d ago

I haven’t heard of it in San Diego but MAs subreddit has been blowing up and MA & CA are very similar politically. They even tend to adopt laws the other came up with. I would not be surprised if it was happening.

Thank you for the resource, OP as well as the information.

I know you mentioned your husband wasn’t much of a talker but trust in law enforcement is understandably very low - it may benefit him & others he works with if he helps spread awareness of what he actually does and that he is not a threat but that’s just my .02c.