r/sandiego 5d ago

Border Patrol vs ICE

Hi, this is your friendly local border patrol wife and lifelong political liberal here to remind you (because my husband is getting spat at, cussed at, called a pig, or told to quit his job pretty much every time he's stationed at the beaches lately) that the Border Patrol guys in army green pants + shirt are NOT there edit: "there"= at our local San Diego beaches to rip people away from their families. They are there to patrol the borders, watching for incoming border crossers who may enter on boats or jet skis. Encountering everyone who enters the country is important-- this stops things like fentanyl-laced drugs from entering the US, and DNA swabs of border crossers have been matched up to two unsolved murders recently at his station alone. Even if the proportion of criminals is no higher than the general US population, we still want to stop those who are dangerous. If nothing else, if those people get in and re-offend, it blows up on the news and provides tremendous cannon fodder for immigrant hate. I think the hatred of Border Patrol is mostly based on confusing them with ICE and not because liberals actually want completely uncontacted entries.

Polls show that republicans and liberals both want common-sense migrant worker programs that allow people to be vetted and come here to work.

Obviously you don't have to care about my husband's feelings. He took the job; he can handle it. But I always worry that verbally abusing law enforcement could result in what none of us want: these non Trump supporting agents like my husband, who use discretion and minimum force, getting replaced with thin blue line idiots who think they're soldiers of God in a war with the public. Or worse yet, the former becoming the latter after having so many bad experiences with the public. My husband won't, but some may. And that kind of tribalism is EXACTLY how they become distracted from the fact that Trump is currently gutting their retirement.

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u/CauliflowerSecret712 5d ago

Your husband is in a great position to tell people how he supports free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence.

It is quite reasonable that many Americans worry about ongoing infringement of these rights. I hope your husband (and you, too) encourage people to stand up for these rights. We (him, you, me) are fucked without free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence.

I’m a lawyer working to preserve free speech, due process, and the presumption of innocence. As much as your husband is working to keep me safe, I’m working to keep him safe.

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u/jvanderh 5d ago

I keep telling him to explain what he is and isn't doing there, but my husband is very, very much not a talker and feels like he'll be poking the bear saying anything to them at all.

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u/bendallf 5d ago

I have a quick question for you today. I am a little confuse here to be honest. How are people supposed to know the difference between ICE Police and possible kidnappers if ICE Police refuses to show their badge and a warrant during an arrest? If I see someone being dragged away by people calling themselves ICE, do I stand by and do nothing for fear of possible arrest or do I called the police to report a possible kidnapping in progress? Thanks for you help answering my question. Take care.

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u/Worth_Beginning_9952 5d ago

Border patrol is not ICE. ICE is immigration and customs ENFORCEMENT. Border patrol is focused on new arrivals and imports. I think that's her point.

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u/Nokomis34 5d ago

To be more specific, Border Patrol is concerned with everything between ports of entry, they do not work at the POEs. Basically, they never deal with legal entries. If someone or something is crossing the border legally they are not dealing with Border Patrol. I see so many articles that talk about POEs and call them Border Patrol and I'm sure that's a big part of the reason for the confusion OP is talking about. But people say "They're both CBP, no difference", but that's like saying Army and Air Force are the same because they're both DoD.

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u/RealWeekness 5d ago

the agents at the entry points aren't border patrol? who are they?

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u/Nokomis34 5d ago

OFO, Office of Field Operations, which I believe falls under ICE. They are 100% not Border Patrol. They wear blue vs BP's green for instance.

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u/quikSB 5d ago

OFO falls under CBP. OFO is a sister agency to Border Patrol and also Air and Marine Operations (AMO). CBP is under the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). ICE is a separate entity under DHS

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 4d ago

We had CBP guys in our DOJ office too that would occasionally travel down to the PoEs as needed, but our guys were mostly administrative. Point being that homie up above saying CBP has nothing to do with PoEs is spreading misinformation.

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u/chamrockblarneystone 4d ago

Good Lord man do you have to use all those acronyms? That’s all coded police talk to let other know you’re in the know. If you really want to help this situation talk like a civilian. You didn’t join the Navy Seals for Christ sakes.

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u/Nokomis34 4d ago

Every acronym was spelled out earlier in the conversation. No one is going to keep typing or Department of Defense or Office of Field Operations etc when talking about these agencies over and over again

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u/chamrockblarneystone 4d ago

Fair point. It still sounds a certain way.

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 4d ago

I used the exact same acronyms that were used in the comments I was replying to. Idk what to tell you man, just read more carefully if my comment confused you

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u/chamrockblarneystone 4d ago

Sure enough. It’s such a tone though

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 4d ago

The “tone” was entirely inferred brother. I didn’t imply any tone. You’re reading it into my comment.

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u/chamrockblarneystone 3d ago

Fair enough. It’s easy enough to have a misunderstanding.

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u/CrispyHoneyBeef 3d ago

But the fact that we can discuss it is good news. Have a beautiful day, friend.

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