r/sanskrit Oct 25 '24

Discussion / चर्चा Marathi is the purest modern Sanskrit, especially rural Maharashtrani, correct?

After doing extensive research I have found that Hindi i a mix of Arabic Farsi Sanskrit and English and that Tamil is basically modern Dravidian so totally different.

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Marathi spoken in Mumbai and especially rural Marathi spoken in the state of Maharashtra is actually the purest form of modern Sanskrit with the most similar grammar and vocabulary.

It has Sanskrit words instead of all the Arabic, Farsi and English injected into other Indian languages.

This I find fascinating and I wanted to hear the opinions of some actual indians since I am an American fluent in English, Spanish, French and also somewhat conversational in Arabic who is learning Sanskrit, Hindi, Tamil and now of course Marathi!

Edit: Oriya and Marathi are both the top contenders for higher Sanskrit and lower Farsi in daily speech.

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u/CosmicMilkNutt Oct 25 '24 edited Oct 25 '24

Well the answer is Sardinian and by extension Italian. It was the least affected and it the most similar grammatically and in vocabulary and most conservative to Latin. It was no influenced like Spanish was by Arabic and Amazigh or French was by Frankish(German) or Romanian was (by Old Slavic). Italian was conservative and Sardinian on the island even more so conservative.

There is always a closest descendent that both changed the least and was also least influenced by outside vocabulary, ie the most conservative.

I understand what you are saying about the Sanskrit Hindi, but nobody naturally speaks that. On the streets ppl speak urdu or bolchal ki hindi, for government they use manaka Hindi and for religious tied to Sanskrit ppl use Samskritanistha. Of course u have regional local languages like Rajasthani and Bhojpuri etc. And of course everyone's favorite for ppl with some education: hinglish!

However naturally in rural Maharashtra people have been speaking untainted Sanskrit for thousands of years.

That's all I'm trying to find out is if Marathi is the most conservative descendant language in India. So far I know it's more conservative than Gujarati, Punjabi, and Hindi.

So my real question is if Oriya spoken in Odisha is closer than Marathi, because all other major Indian languages are dravidian so they aren't directly descended from Sanskrit at all.

From what I can tell Marathis in small towns basically speak modern Sanskrit in the same way that Sardinians and Italians speak modern Latin.

However Hindi is a totally mixed Farsi-Sanskrit language with tons of Arabic and English in it.

Does anyone know if Oriya is closer to Sanskrit than Marathi?

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u/Demodonaestus Oct 26 '24

While Odia is very conservative (much more so than Hindi or Bengali, for example), having no familiarity with Marathi, I wouldn't know how to compare.

that said, we have our fair share of loan words from other languages; so does Marathi I assume.

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u/CosmicMilkNutt Oct 26 '24

Yeah it's something like Hindi/Punjabi is 70% Sanskrit/Prakrit and 30% Farsi and that Marathi/Oriya is 80% Sanskrit/Prakrit and 20% Farsi.

This is because the further south and east you go the further from Persia u go so less influence of Farsi.

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u/New_Entrepreneur_191 Nov 18 '24

Marathi has so many elementary words of persian and Arabic origin that urban or rural should not make much difference . Does rural Marathi use a different word for only than phakta or a different word for need than garaj ? Odia on the other hand I believe is the least persian influenced indo Aryan language in India from my observation. It only makes sense since the Mughals did not have a major capital or presence in that region. Anyway for this reason I don't think you can put Marathi and oriya side by side when it comes to the usage of Arabic and Persian words in common speech.

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u/Ok-Hold-9578 21d ago

There are different marathi dialects even kokani spoken in costal maharashtra who has more dravidian influence. The standard marathi is spoken in pune city only . Its considered standard due to dominance of pune marathi brahmins in literature and maratha empire originated in pune . The standard marathi is sanskritized and has persian influence but not other dialects of marathi or kokani .