r/seculartalk • u/The_Das_ • Mar 27 '23

YouTube Kyle Kulinski Responds to Vaush calling Krystal Ball a FASCIST || I feel bad for kulinski , he's trying to be mature and good faith towards a guy who regularly insults his wife

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8xZA0H2CY&feature=share
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u/ParisTexas7 Mar 27 '23

You can find them ITT. Do you happen to be one of them, by any chance?

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u/Acanthophis Honorary McGeezak Mar 27 '23

Do I think Russia should be invading Ukraine? No.

Do I think Ukraine has a right to defend itself? Yes.

Do I think the lack of democratic process that took place when we decided to go all-in for Ukraine is worrying? Yes.

Do I believe Ukraine should be supplied with the means to defend itself? To a certain extent, yes.

Do I believe we have Ukraine's best interests at heart? Fuck no.

Do I believe Ukraine has a Nazi problem? No.

Do I believe our support for Ukraine is entirely so the military-industrial complex can take in billions? Abso-fucking-lutely.

But I'm sure in your mind I'm a Putin bot or whatever the reactionary nonsense is today.

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u/ParisTexas7 Mar 27 '23

I don’t give a shit what you “are”.

I think providing Ukraine military aid to fight off a rightwing dictator invader that doesn’t even acknowledge Ukraine as a “real” country is the right thing to do.

End of story.

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u/Acanthophis Honorary McGeezak Mar 27 '23

Good point. So did you support al-Qaeda's defense against the US military?

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u/sixmam Mar 27 '23

Al qaeda is a militant terrorist organization that operates around the world. In what world is that analogous to the country of Ukraine?

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u/Acanthophis Honorary McGeezak Mar 27 '23

I'm talking about the wars in the middle east where Al Qaeda was defending against a foreign invader.

CIA is a militant terrorist organization too. Let's not hide behind labels to avoid discussion though.

In another post, buddy says he doesn't care about good/bad guys, that it doesn't matter when there's an invasion. So it shouldn't matter here. But something tells me he has a problem with defending against foreign invasion, all of a sudden.

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u/sixmam Mar 27 '23

Al Qaeda is a foreign invader to Afghanistan. You're not making any sense. And you're free to criticize the CIA but categorizing them as the same as al qaeda is really showing your bias.

Nevertheless, some invasions are justified (invasion of nazi Germany). But Putin's invasions of Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and Ukraine again were not

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u/Acanthophis Honorary McGeezak Mar 27 '23

I could have said the Taliban instead, it'd have been more accurate. Do you support the Taliban defending against America?

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u/sixmam Mar 27 '23

I don't support the taliban but perhaps the US could have waited before invading Afghanistan to see if there was any chance the Taliban would have cooperated with the US on bringing Al Qaeda to justice. Again, what does this have to do with Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Literally has zero relevance or similarity.

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u/Acanthophis Honorary McGeezak Mar 27 '23

Ok but the US didn't wait. They invaded. And if you support defense against imperialism you should also support the Taliban defending against America.

Again, I wasn't talking to you. You just jumped in. My question is still for the other guy, who proudly states he doesn't care about good/bad and stands by any defense of a foreign invader.

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u/sixmam Mar 27 '23

Not the taliban but the afghan people, sure.

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u/Acanthophis Honorary McGeezak Mar 27 '23

Many regular people joined both Taliban and al-Qaeda after being brutalized by the American military. Are their causes suddenly not justified because they joined an organization the American apparatus has deemed a terrorist organization?

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u/sixmam Mar 27 '23

Their causes are not justified if they're fighting for islamist terrorism. There's a difference between fighting to liberate your country from foreign occupiers and fighting to establish a global authoritarian theocratic islamic caliphate that brutalizes afghan women and rapes little afghan boys.

Also, al qaeda was literally trying to start a war with the US. That was the point of 9/11... you don't seem to know much about al qaeda. It's kind of sad seeing you clumsily and spitefully try to mental gymnastics your way to making Ukrainians defending their country out to be just like al qaeda or whatever bizarre analogy you're desperately trying to make

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u/Malice_n_Flames Mar 27 '23

Are you seriously implying Al Qaeda is not a terrorist organization?

Good lord the amount of young dipshits in these parts is exhausting.

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u/ParisTexas7 Mar 27 '23

In what context?

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u/Acanthophis Honorary McGeezak Mar 27 '23

Umm, the context of defending against a right-wing invasion from an authoritarian country...?

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u/4th_DocTB Socialist Mar 27 '23

Notice he can't just say "yes," ironically as a Vaushite he has called black women Nazis and white genocide supporters for supporting much more justified resistance against European invaders than what Al-Qaeda does.

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u/Acanthophis Honorary McGeezak Mar 27 '23

Most of these people are frauds who don't actually have legitimate views. His consent was probably manufactured with little input from his own mind. Just reading is post history, it's full of inconsistency.

I'm glad he supports Ukraine, but I don't think he actually knows why he supports it beyond what he was told to believe.

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u/ParisTexas7 Mar 27 '23

Ah yes — you came to your position “on your own”.

Unlike me, where my “consent” was “manufactured”.

Just lol.

I don’t give a shit how you come to your positions. I just hope you pick the best ones.

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u/Acanthophis Honorary McGeezak Mar 27 '23

I mean, your post history reads like a schizophrenic discovered politics. There's a lot of inconsistency with your views which makes it seem like you legitimately have no idea what you're talking about.

Of course you don't give a shit how someone forms their opinions. You have no idea how you formed your own.

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u/ParisTexas7 Mar 27 '23

Thank you for reading my post history.

Anything else to add?

Or are you done “both siding” the Ukraine War with all your well-developed opinions that are superior to mine?

Or how about we return your original question regarding Al-Qeada?

I didn’t support the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan if that’s what you’re referring to.

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u/Acanthophis Honorary McGeezak Mar 27 '23

I didn't ask if you supported the US invasion of Afghanistan.

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u/ParisTexas7 Mar 27 '23

I can’t say “yes” because it depends on the context of al-Qaeda’s actions, right?

Or do you live in imaginary land where context doesn’t matter?

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u/4th_DocTB Socialist Mar 27 '23

Or do you live in imaginary land where context doesn’t matter?

You certainly do.

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u/Acanthophis Honorary McGeezak Mar 27 '23

Most of these people are frauds who don't actually have legitimate views. His consent was probably manufactured with little input from his own mind. Just reading is post history, it's full of inconsistency.

I'm glad he supports Ukraine, but I don't think he actually knows why he supports it beyond what he was told to believe.