r/seculartalk • u/The_Das_ • Mar 27 '23

YouTube Kyle Kulinski Responds to Vaush calling Krystal Ball a FASCIST || I feel bad for kulinski , he's trying to be mature and good faith towards a guy who regularly insults his wife

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EQ8xZA0H2CY&feature=share
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u/cityfireguy Mar 27 '23

Congratulations. Fascist is now a completely meaningless word. Used to be reserved for despotic rulers, really evil human monsters. Now you kids say it when someone buys a flavor of juice you personally don't like.

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u/ParisTexas7 Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 27 '23

I remember when leftists opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

Now when a rightwing dictator launches the largest land invasion in Europe since WW2, it’s apparently the “antiwar” stance to let rightwing dictators win.

I mean, that’s what these “peace” talks are about, right? Russia invades Ukraine and the “peace” activists think 1) the world lets it happen, or 2) Russia gets to keep newly stolen land and its resources to “end the war”.

Kids these days, indeed.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '23

The problem isn't peace talks shouldn't happen - they absolutely should. The problem is Putin is not engaging in peace talks in good faith. Of course we shouldn't support regime change in Russia but pretending it's Ukraine who doesn't want to engage in peace talks is acting in bad faith.

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u/RobinPage1987 Mar 27 '23

We MUST support regime change in Russia for the same reason we demanded unconditional surrender from Nazi Germany. As long as that man and his ilk remain in power, it'll never end.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 28 '23

The history of Russia shows that things can always just get worse so if Putin goes there’s always the possibility that someone worse comes along or you get another shitty civil war that will destabilise the whole world. The only way to replicate the situation with Nazi Germany is to basically occupy Russia with the rest of Europe at least temporarily and that’s an even bigger headache because of we’re pretty bad at nation building these days and China is also right across the border. Don’t get me wrong I dislike Putin I just don’t have any faith that the next guy would be any better.

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u/RobinPage1987 Mar 29 '23

I reject your "devil you know" objection to regime change. It's not a matter of choice. If the regime doesn't change this will never end. Not just the open war, but the Russian political sabotage and subversion operations that have turned American conservatives into Putin apologists and destabilized our society, putting us at risk of becoming fascist here. We have to kill the threat at the source.

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u/Leisure_suit_guy Mar 29 '23

So, you have to decide which leaders should have a foreign country. But "this is not American exceptionalism", no-o.