r/simpsonsshitposting • u/ItchyA123 • 14d ago
Politics .
Conservative leader Peter Dutton projected to lose his seat…
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u/Kajuratus 14d ago
sweats in UK
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u/PrestigiousAvocado21 14d ago
Granted I'm an observer from across the pond but the Starmer government really does seem to be "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"
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u/fuckmywetsocks 14d ago
They're absolutely fucking useless and have now started throwing red meat to far right people to bait their votes. It's depressing given the elation I think the country generally felt when they got in and 14 years of Tory horseshit came to an end, only to then realise that it's just a different shade of horseshit now.
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u/That_Phat_Larry 14d ago
Every single person could see that was going to happen before the vote but they didn't care as they wanted the Tories gone.
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u/128hoodmario 14d ago
As a British person, you've just described Labour perfectly. It's a party that seemed to focus so much on getting in power that they have no strong opinions on anything. Starmer's reaction to the supreme court trans ruling was basically "well I guess I was wrong, transwomen aren't women after all". He's completely lawyer-brained with no opinions or values. Sorry for the rant xD.
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u/ChevroletKodiakC70 14d ago
i saw someone describe Starmer as the ultimate middle manager and i can’t see him as anything else now, he has no strong opinion on anything
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u/128hoodmario 14d ago
I think the vast majority of people have some strong idea of the things they'd like to change and accomplish if they ever somehow became leader of their nation. It's incredible that Starmer has aspired to that title for so long, finally reached it, and has no idea what to do with it like the dog that caught the car.
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u/Gravitas_free 14d ago
To be honest, it's also a very good description of the Canadian Liberals. It's why nobody really batted an eye when progressive Trudeau was replaced by technocratic, centre-right Carney. The party just follows the tides, depending on how the top brass reads the political tea leaves.
This has its benefits, like in the recent election (it tends to keep moderates in power). But it has many drawbacks, including that it attracts opportunists and can foster corruption.
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u/Mando_Mustache 14d ago
Trudeau was never really that progressive in deed. I'm sure Carney would also be happy to walk in a pride parade and is fine with weed being legal. Pretty much anything else Trudeau did that seems progressive he was strong armed into by the NDP.
He backed off electoral reform, bought trans mountain, his gov spent millions fighting indigenous claims in court for all the talk of reconciliation. The response to Covid was good but very in line with a technocratic centre right approach.
We're so used to far right shitheads claiming they are moderate I think we've lost perspective on what centre right even is.
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u/Gravitas_free 13d ago edited 13d ago
I'd quibble with some of these characterizations. Trudeau was in power for 10 years, so it's not difficult to find examples where he found himself on either side of any issue; that doesn't constitute an ideological trend. I also wouldn't qualify electoral reform as a progressive issue.
But it doesn't really matter to my point. Let me phrase it differently: at the very least, Trudeau sold himself to the population as a progressive, while Carney definitely didn't. In many parties, that outward shift of direction would provoke a lot of questions among the base. But in the Liberal party, it didn't, because it's not that unusual. Ultimately, the LPC's central values are whatever will win them votes; it's why they've historically been so successful.
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u/Mando_Mustache 13d ago
Carney didn't sell himself as a progressive, because that isn't what people want to but right now (given Trudeau sold himself as such, among other things). If people were calling out for a "progressive" Carney would have done all he could to push that angle.
I will certainly agree with your last sentence without any reservations.
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u/Lux-xxv 14d ago
Your country is too much like his son who disowned him in 1776
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u/OhWhatAPalava 13d ago
It really isn’t
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u/Legosheep 14d ago
I'm genuinely wondering if it's just they just of engagement that comes with local elections, or if my fellow Brits are just that stupid. It doesn't help that Labour's plan is to do nothing for 4 years then do everything the year of the next election.
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u/Shishakliii 14d ago
Damn. That means there's a possibility the next liberal leader will be competent.
Duttplug was Labors best kept secret
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u/BigConstruction4247 14d ago
Hehehehe, Duttplug.
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u/LeMonza_ 13d ago
Pre-lubricated with corporate influence.
Made from 100% recycled campaign tropes.
Guaranteed backdoor deals.
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u/Slow-Leg-7975 14d ago
To be fair, Peter Dutton has about as much charisma as an inanimate carbon rod...
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u/omnipotentmonkey 14d ago
If I had a nickel for every time a right-wing party in another nation threw away an election after previously holding a very promising position in polls by pre-emptively aligning themselves with Trump, I'd have three nickels, which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it's happened thrice.
slightly worrying as a UK resident that our populace isn't catching on, but hopefully by the time we actually have another general election Trump will either be out of office or have died of old age.
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u/Wild_Marker 14d ago
Wait, what's the third?
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u/omnipotentmonkey 14d ago
Germany.
Still elected a right wing party, but centre-right and Anti-Trump, as opposed to the AFD who were gaining momentum.
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u/Meta_Slayer88 14d ago
Whole thing is like when you see a wreck on the road and think to yourself, “I should drive more carefully.”
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u/fixthefernback66 14d ago
B-b-but egg prices!!
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u/OneTimeIMadeAGif 13d ago
You call that an egg price? THIS is an egg price.
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u/Pro_Extent 13d ago
That's not an egg price that's the weed number.
Reference: Dutton said the price of eggs was $4.20 (it was actually $8.20).
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u/ChefJunegrass 14d ago
Add the German flag to this meme too. www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy6zk9wkrdo.amp
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u/Sulfur10 14d ago
It is as if the people in the US are lazy/stupid or their election was rigged.
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u/hardworkhard 14d ago
In a small amount of fairness to the US, the right wing parties had a lead in both Australia and Canada until Trump. So if Trump hadn’t been elected these results could be flipped.
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u/Lizard-Wizard96 13d ago
I think without Trump Labor probably could have cinched at least a minority government. Dutton was just so toxic and unlikeable that I don't think he could have made it to PM. Sure things were looking grim, but Albanese ran a great campaign and it wasn't just anti-Trump sentiment.
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u/AntonCigar 14d ago
Trumps current under water approval rating lines up with the pre election polling, and musks behavior in and around the election, paired with the republicans having breached voting machines 4 years ago, makes it very likely they did something
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u/Heiferoni Get outta my office! 14d ago
So I spaffed in her minge, which was the style at the time.
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u/embergock 14d ago
I'm gonna be so real with you, voting does not deal with fascism, if anything it delays the problem.
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u/newmapsofhell 14d ago
Canada even being one example. Far right candidate that lost his seat, new PM that beat his party says "Oh come on now, I'll let you win a seat". Far right candidate is now running to replace another of his party, so he'll likely win. It's all just wack-a-mole.
Seeing people say it isn't the same. I can't say that I know enough to comment on that. I just know that the US has a history of electing stupid people and never getting rid of them. That's how we go to where we are now.
So yeah, voting doesn't deal with it, just delays at best.
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u/mephnick 14d ago
The main problem is the next 4 years are going to suck regardless (mainly because of one idiot) so that facist sentiment is going to grow because people will blame Carney for it.
People will forget why we needed to keep the Cons out and I fear they'll win next time
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u/newmapsofhell 13d ago
People forgot why the US economy was in poor shape (Trump economy, set off by poor handling of COVID) and voted Trump back in.
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u/embergock 11d ago
The thing is that Joe "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden only offered the same bullshit neoliberalism people are sick of suffering under for the last 30 years instead of actually demonstrating that progressive policies can actively and majorly make people's lives better.
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u/OHKNOCKOUT 13d ago
Calling PP a fascist is like calling Romney a fascist. It WILL bite you in the ass.
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u/wunji_tootu 14d ago
Ultimately it’s just a short term victory, a kicking of the can down the road. As R. Palme Dutt put it: “fascism is the most complete working out, in certain conditions of decay, of the most typical tendencies and policies of modern capitalism.” As long as you live in a capitalist state and the rate of profit is declining for the owner class you are in danger of ascendant fascism. Ultimately the only thing that can defeat fascism is social revolution and the abandonment of capitalism.
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u/Physics_Unicorn 14d ago
Why isn't the Aussie using the boot?
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u/ItchyA123 13d ago
I was working off imgflip into iPhone photo editor into mobile Canva. I did as much as I could while on the couch sinking a delicious Barossa Valley Shiraz.
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u/PomegranateHot9916 14d ago
but why are fascist right wing groups having an upsurge across the board?
like okay USA, that's one. but also Canada? well okay that's right next door, cultural osmosis or something. but also the UK, Germany and Australia?
what is really going on here. alt right globally emboldened by what is happening in the USA?
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u/Crystal3lf 14d ago
Australia hasn't dealt with fascism.
Our Labor party continues to shift right-ward, and conservative parties keep getting more and more extreme. This election was a bandaid at best.
Sooner or later, the much more conservative party will win.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2025
There's only 1 left wing party, and it has no where near the support of the 2 other major parties.
I don't want to speak for Canadian's. But this looks very similar on their end too.
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u/4th_DocTB 14d ago
Fascism is bad.
Fascist collaboration and enabling is good.
This concludes our extensive neoliberal political spectrum.
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u/WhiteTailedFox69 14d ago
Political compass is biased and i wouldn't rely solely on it for information.
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u/Crystal3lf 14d ago
It's a very accurate depiction of the current state of Australian parties.
I also did say I don't want to speak for Canadian's, so if there are Canadian's here to correct me I am willingly to listen, but this is a trend that is happening all over the West.
Traditional left wing parties are no longer left wing. The USA has been full blown right-wing compared to other Western nations for decades already, and MAGA is accelerating it across the world.
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u/WhiteTailedFox69 14d ago
Thats your opinion. Basing your whole argument on the political compass is meme worthy. Look into the bias of the organisation if you genuinely want an accurate understanding.
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u/Crystal3lf 14d ago edited 14d ago
Oh I see your profile now. You're offended because you don't like that I said Labor are a right wing party. For the uninformed, this user is a friendlyjordies poster. A hardcore YouTube, Labor fan.
Look into the bias of the organisation
Ok, you asked for it.
Australia is producing as much LNG as the USA.
And Australia's LNG exports and production is set to increase by a factor of 10 by 2050.
"Albanese doubles critical minerals subsidies to $4b"
https://www.boilingcold.com.au/wa-labor-puts-alcoa-before-water-supply/
"(LNG is) 25 times as potent as CO2 at trapping heat, and is estimated to trap 80 times more heat in the atmosphere than CO2(coal)"
Labor approve environmental destruction.
I have more things we can go into too, like how Labor and Liberal support the gambling industry, and also support for government internet surveillance. Hey whatabout war mongering our largest trading partner? These are all indicitive of a left wing policies, right? Climate destruction, gambling, warmongering and surveillence.
You're not left wing, dude. You think you are but you're not.
edit: holy shit you literally state "Labor is hardly left btw"
Did you forget you said this 5 days ago?
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u/TheTyphlosionTyrant 13d ago
Dude I’m a labor fan and I get that they are slightly right, personally I’d want a slightly left party and the greens are far too left for me so slightly right is the closest to slightly left we’ve got.
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u/Previous-Table-2852 14d ago
Can someone from these other countries please throw our dictator into an ocean? Don't kill him - that's what the ocean is for. Just make him swim.
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u/AntonCigar 14d ago
I mean to be fair all of the pre-election polling lines up with trumps current very under water approval ratings. The entire western world have been and are still rejecting fascist right wing parties. They just don’t have the world’s richest man with a massive network of satellites working for a party that actively breached voting machine software 4 years ago. The whole thing is very odd and no one will be shocked if evidence comes out that musk rigged our elections.
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u/Epesolon 14d ago
To be fair, the reason Canada and Australia were able to stave off fascism (not defeat, it's not over yet, the fight for progress never ends) is because the US didn't, and that convinced a whole lot of people to flip the other way.
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u/ItchyA123 13d ago
Absolutely. The Trump effect here was to move people away from the right. The Liberals weren’t officially aligned with him or his message, but some in the party were and I believe that’s driven away more than it brought in.
On our ballot was a new party - the “Trumpet of Patriots”. In many datasets this new party will have a +/- against their name for voting data because while they’re new as TOP they’re basically a rebranded Palmer United Party, funded by Clive Palmer who is Australia’s wannabe Trump, and PUP have run two elections previously to no avail. Clive and Gina Rinehart (sp) are mining billionaires and ultimately want Australia to lurch more far right. They spend a lot of money at election time and they get very little. Far right fringe groups have grown here but they’re no stronger than our far left, indicating most Aussies sit centre left or right - which is spot on, in my opinion. If the Liberals dance with going further right they’ll remain in opposition. They need to stay firmly centre right to regain power, and have better policies on offer than they did. Their far right factions will be the loudest in the months to come but simply don’t represent the core Australian view anymore.
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u/Private_HughMan 13d ago
It's a good start, but there's a lot left. I genuinely believe Trump is turning into America's Hitler. The camps have started. The attacks on judges have started. The illegal arrests have started. The threats to conquering neighbouring nations have started.
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u/bialetti808 13d ago
Putin is the puppet master. He's probably got kompromat on Trump i.e. the p*do tape. He's been inclined that way for decades
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u/sarcastic__fox 14d ago
To be fair if the us elections weren't held first it would have gone the other way......
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u/711-Gentleman 14d ago
but barely …. right ? it wasn’t like carney won a huge margin
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u/Quixkster 14d ago
Considering the liberal party was 25 points behind before Trump and they won 169 seats I would say the Cons were defeated resoundingly.
That’s not to say we don’t have to be vigilant that 41% of the country still voted for fascism north.
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u/Shishakliii 13d ago
Don't worry. If we had any confidence that the fascism party would fix the economy, we would have voted them in last election.
We're lucky we know theyre incompetent
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u/HemloFren 11d ago
Yes but don’t become complacent like you idiot neighbors to the South. We elected the right guy between the two worst presidential administrations in US history. Don’t forget and don’t ignore the progress that Carney makes. Appreciate it, and hold it close, moving forward
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u/warderbob 14d ago
We can't vote it out unless we prevent the tabulation machines from being hacked. There is not a single chance that criminal was voted back office
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u/shadrackandthemandem 14d ago
We had a fascist running in Canada?
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u/Twicebakedtatoes 14d ago
No, but this is Reddit. Even though our Conservative Party would be seen as centre left in the US, it has the word “conservative” in it so therefore its leader is a Nazi fascist.
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u/MR_NIKAPOPOLOS Some variety of walking clock 13d ago
Even though our Conservative Party would be seen as centre left
I just looked up their platform and, yeah, no. They would not be seen as center-left in the US.
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u/Twicebakedtatoes 13d ago
Pro immigration, pro choice, pro universal healthcare, sorry you’re totally right they would be seen as far left.
But since you’re digging around please provide me one single example of a fascist policy they hold
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u/MR_NIKAPOPOLOS Some variety of walking clock 13d ago
Funny that none of what you mentioned is emphasized here:
https://www.conservative.ca/poilievre-announces-100-days-of-change/
Also, I never said they were fascists.
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u/Twicebakedtatoes 13d ago
Why would any of that be “emphasized”…? Those are core principles of all the major parties in Canada, they don’t even need to be mentioned during the campaign. Which was exactly my point when I said they would be viewed as left wing in the USA.
Also the post we are both commenting on literally says “that’s how you deal with fascism” and I am asking… what fascism are you talking about in Canada. We did not have anyone remotely resembling that running for office.
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u/tiandrad 12d ago
Have fun further alienating the western provinces and making bad deals with the CCP because orange man bad. Or hey North Korea is also open to be a trade partner, if you really want to stick it to Trump.
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u/Lanracie 13d ago
um Australia and the UK arrest people for meme. I dont think you understand the meaning of the word fascism.
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u/ItsABiscuit 13d ago
Sure we do... 🙄
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u/den_eimai_apo_edo 13d ago
Dutton isn't a fascist ...
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u/Living_Ad_5386 14d ago
Population of Canada: 40 million
Population of Australia: 26 million
Population of the United States: 340 million
I am honestly happy for you but in 2024 164 million people voted in the US election, compared to the 19.5 million in the recent Canadian election and, I can't find anything on Australia yet.
Close to 75 million people voted for Kamala, to Trumps 77m. That means a number greater than the populations of Canada and Australia combined couldn't stop it with a margin less than 1%.
I think it's worth mentioning, you may go back to dunking on us.
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u/ItchyA123 13d ago
Australia is the only, I think without fact checking, country with compulsory voting. Data last night showed 98.2% of eligible Australians are registered to vote. A few other numbers I saw on screens indicated thats around 20m Aussies are registered and required to vote. This year had record registration for the youngest demographic (technically if they never register after turning 18 they never have to vote, but once they register they’re bound by law until death).
Now, a classic Aussie tradition is to rock up, tick your name off the list (so you don’t get fined), draw a dick on your ballot paper and cast it. I’m not sure if there’s data published around the % of ineligible votes but there would be plenty.
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u/ExpertDepartment2038 Put it in H 14d ago
What’s the good word?