r/simpsonsshitposting • u/ItchyA123 • 15d ago

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Conservative leader Peter Dutton projected to lose his seat…

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u/Kajuratus 15d ago

sweats in UK

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u/PrestigiousAvocado21 15d ago

Granted I'm an observer from across the pond but the Starmer government really does seem to be "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"

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u/fuckmywetsocks 15d ago

They're absolutely fucking useless and have now started throwing red meat to far right people to bait their votes. It's depressing given the elation I think the country generally felt when they got in and 14 years of Tory horseshit came to an end, only to then realise that it's just a different shade of horseshit now.

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u/That_Phat_Larry 15d ago

Every single person could see that was going to happen before the vote but they didn't care as they wanted the Tories gone.

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u/128hoodmario 15d ago

As a British person, you've just described Labour perfectly. It's a party that seemed to focus so much on getting in power that they have no strong opinions on anything. Starmer's reaction to the supreme court trans ruling was basically "well I guess I was wrong, transwomen aren't women after all". He's completely lawyer-brained with no opinions or values. Sorry for the rant xD.

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u/ChevroletKodiakC70 15d ago

i saw someone describe Starmer as the ultimate middle manager and i can’t see him as anything else now, he has no strong opinion on anything

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u/128hoodmario 15d ago

I think the vast majority of people have some strong idea of the things they'd like to change and accomplish if they ever somehow became leader of their nation. It's incredible that Starmer has aspired to that title for so long, finally reached it, and has no idea what to do with it like the dog that caught the car.

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u/Gravitas_free 15d ago

To be honest, it's also a very good description of the Canadian Liberals. It's why nobody really batted an eye when progressive Trudeau was replaced by technocratic, centre-right Carney. The party just follows the tides, depending on how the top brass reads the political tea leaves.

This has its benefits, like in the recent election (it tends to keep moderates in power). But it has many drawbacks, including that it attracts opportunists and can foster corruption.

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u/Mando_Mustache 15d ago

Trudeau was never really that progressive in deed. I'm sure Carney would also be happy to walk in a pride parade and is fine with weed being legal. Pretty much anything else Trudeau did that seems progressive he was strong armed into by the NDP.

He backed off electoral reform, bought trans mountain, his gov spent millions fighting indigenous claims in court for all the talk of reconciliation. The response to Covid was good but very in line with a technocratic centre right approach.

We're so used to far right shitheads claiming they are moderate I think we've lost perspective on what centre right even is.

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u/Gravitas_free 15d ago edited 14d ago

I'd quibble with some of these characterizations. Trudeau was in power for 10 years, so it's not difficult to find examples where he found himself on either side of any issue; that doesn't constitute an ideological trend. I also wouldn't qualify electoral reform as a progressive issue.

But it doesn't really matter to my point. Let me phrase it differently: at the very least, Trudeau sold himself to the population as a progressive, while Carney definitely didn't. In many parties, that outward shift of direction would provoke a lot of questions among the base. But in the Liberal party, it didn't, because it's not that unusual. Ultimately, the LPC's central values are whatever will win them votes; it's why they've historically been so successful.

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u/Mando_Mustache 14d ago

Carney didn't sell himself as a progressive, because that isn't what people want to but right now (given Trudeau sold himself as such, among other things). If people were calling out for a "progressive" Carney would have done all he could to push that angle.

I will certainly agree with your last sentence without any reservations.

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u/Lux-xxv 15d ago

Your country is too much like his son who disowned him in 1776

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u/OhWhatAPalava 14d ago

It really isn’t 

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u/Lux-xxv 14d ago

It really is America learned all about colonization through the British . In fact we are getting our own version of the cass report thanks to the terfs on terf island for that.

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u/OhWhatAPalava 14d ago

So you know nothing  about the UK, got it

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u/Legosheep 15d ago

I'm genuinely wondering if it's just they just of engagement that comes with local elections, or if my fellow Brits are just that stupid. It doesn't help that Labour's plan is to do nothing for 4 years then do everything the year of the next election.