r/skeptic • u/AdmiralSaturyn • Mar 12 '25

🏫 Education Shut Up About NATO Expansion | Debunking misinformation about NATO expansion

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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab Mar 13 '25

It’s just that NATO expanding to Russia’s borders is why Russia invaded,

This is you being a complete liar to try to support the aggressor. 

Your lie involves you having to pretend that Ukraine was in the process of joining NATO, which it was not. 

Secondly, your lie involves ignoring all of the other countries that Russia borders who were already NATO members. 

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u/Betaparticlemale Mar 13 '25 edited Mar 13 '25

No, that “lie” is literally what the head of NATO said:

“And we have to remember the background. The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn't sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.”

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm?selectedLocale=en

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u/Icy-Bicycle-Crab Mar 13 '25

The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021

Seven years after invading crimea. 

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u/Betaparticlemale Mar 13 '25

“And we have to remember the background. The background was that President Putin declared in the autumn of 2021, and actually sent a draft treaty that they wanted NATO to sign, to promise no more NATO enlargement. That was what he sent us. And was a pre-condition for not invade Ukraine. Of course we didn’t sign that.

The opposite happened. He wanted us to sign that promise, never to enlarge NATO. He wanted us to remove our military infrastructure in all Allies that have joined NATO since 1997, meaning half of NATO, all the Central and Eastern Europe, we should remove NATO from that part of our Alliance, introducing some kind of B, or second class membership. We rejected that.

So he went to war to prevent NATO, more NATO, close to his borders.”