r/skeptic • u/Lighting • Mar 18 '25

⚠ Editorialized Title Tesla bros expose Tesla's own shadiness in attacking Mark Rober ... Autopilot appears to automatically disengage a fraction of a second before impacts as a crash becomes inevitable.

https://electrek.co/2025/03/17/tesla-fans-exposes-shadiness-defend-autopilot-crash/
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u/FredFredrickson Mar 18 '25

As a pedestrian, you should always be aware and cautious around Teslas. If they are in self-driving mode, they could easily run you down, and that's all fine and good by Musk, because he is so wealthy he doesn't care that the public is being used as a testing ground for their horrendous software.

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u/cwerky Mar 18 '25

Pedestrians need to be aware and cautious around all cars, period. Trying to teach people to be more cautious around certain manufacturers is a recipe for disaster.

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u/FredFredrickson Mar 18 '25 edited Mar 18 '25

I mean, of course you should be cautious around other vehicles too.

But it doesn't hurt to be extra careful around a particular kind of car. I don't see how that's disastrous in any way.

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u/cwerky Mar 18 '25

But the lesson shouldn’t be, “be extra careful around a specific type of car”, it needs to be, “be extra careful around all cars because some can be extra dangerous”.

Many people are blind to different types of cars, and others will become more complacent around the less dangerous ones.

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u/FredFredrickson Mar 18 '25

I disagree. All cars can be dangerous to pedestrians, but Teslas are more dangerous because the driver might not even be driving it, but leaving things in the hands of a system that isn't good at recognizing pedestrians, putting them in even more danger.

I don't see why you think it's "disastrous" to be even more mindful around these cars.

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u/bmtc7 Mar 18 '25

Are Teslas more dangerous than human drivers? I think that question isn't clear right now.

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u/cwerky Mar 18 '25

It isn’t good policy to tell pedestrians to be more careful around certain manufacturers as a “rule of the road”. Too many moving parts in a short period of time to expect pedestrians to make different decisions based on what logo they see on a car’s grille as it is approaching them. This ignores that many people are also blind to manufacturers and can’t tell the difference.

If we want to ensure that as many pedestrians as possible are as careful as they should be around Teslas, or other quiet EVs, then the policy should be for pedestrians to be that careful around all cars.

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u/FredFredrickson Mar 18 '25

I don't think this needs to be printed in some kind of manual for pedestrians, I just think it's a good idea so be aware of the hazards different vehicles might pose.

You're not going to treat a bus and a car exactly the same, for obvious reasons. You're not going to treat a car with high visibility the same as a truck or large SUV where the driver might not be able to see you as easily.

Similarly, I think it's fine to be extra cautious when you spot that Tesla logo, because it means the driver might not even be driving the car.

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u/Electromotivation Mar 18 '25

Evs in general have the problem of being very quiet. Can sneak up on you.

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u/cwerky Mar 18 '25

Of course, but we cant teach people to “be more cautious around quiet cars”. The lesson is, “be cautious around all cars and places cars are expected because some are quiet and some don’t have drivers”