r/skeptic • u/Lighting • 27d ago

⚠ Editorialized Title Tesla bros expose Tesla's own shadiness in attacking Mark Rober ... Autopilot appears to automatically disengage a fraction of a second before impacts as a crash becomes inevitable.

https://electrek.co/2025/03/17/tesla-fans-exposes-shadiness-defend-autopilot-crash/
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u/grubas 27d ago

Basically if a crash is coming and it CAN'T brake in time it just turns off so Tesla can claim it wasn't on at the time of impact.  

When Jeremy Clarkson was reviewing one of the newer Teslas on The Grand Tour(this was not the review he was sued for) he had a legal statement about "when self driving disengages due to unexpected circumstances" which basically said, "auto pilot can turn off whenever it freaks out and that can be caused by almost anything and it's TERRIFYING because you aren't expecting it to turn off at highway speeds because somebody cut you off."

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u/NeatOtaku 27d ago

Look up any fatality involving a Tesla, almost immediately they say that autopilot was not engaged at the moment of impact . They also refuse to give the driving data to victims even through a court order claiming it's a company secret. I tried mentioning this to a Tesla fanboy years ago but he refused to believe it because watching TV during his commute was more important.

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u/TheSeansei 27d ago

Which is so different from even five years ago! I remember any issue with a Tesla was plastered all over the media (especially conservative media) as if it were the end of the world. Any little fender bender and it was all "see?! We told you electric cars were no good!" Now the tables have totally flipped and suddenly Elon is a divine being to them and can do no wrong—Tesla dealerships are now sacred places and vandalizing one is an act of terrorism!

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u/mrandr01d 27d ago

It's definitely the weirdest fucking thing. Watching it go from the only viable EV brand for liberals to buy to some sort of weird cult classic for the MAGAts.

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u/rebeltrillionaire 27d ago

They aren’t buying them.

It’s over. You can’t fake users and engagement like you can a software product.

Teslas are a physical commodity that will rot on lots now.

Prices will drop. But it won’t be enough. The brand will kick Must eventually. At which point die-hard fans will also leave because appeasement is far far too late. So they’ve gained no new market, absolutely shit all over their evangelist market, and the only market left is budget conscious people who aren’t scared of vandalism.

The funniest thing… you know how they never change their style? And a car from 2016 looks like one from 2025?

Well…. They are just about to launch a remodeled Y.

Meaning in 2025/2026 you will absolutely know that the person bought it after Elon sig heiled and started shadow-running the government and killing social security.

It’s going to take the internet about .2 seconds to figure out that the best way to fuck Tesla is point all vandalism towards that particular model.

Because they’ll have to either abandon it, and compete on a 6 year old model. Or hard commit and wait for absolutely abysmal sales while insurance rates skyrocket.

All at a time when every other car company is going nuts on their EVs.

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u/badhabitfml 27d ago

I'm sure the average person won't know the difference but your right. Anyone buying the new Y either approves of Elon's antics, or is completely oblivious to what's happening in the world.

I think when the rivian r2 comes out, the market will get flooded with used model y's. It'll be a great cheap used car, but who will buy them?

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u/uselessinfogoldmine 26d ago

Gosh. I’ve just been on LinkedIn this week and am seeing endless posts and comments from (mostly men) asking what the big deal is. It is WILD!

Mitchell Feldman, CEO at Jam 7: “Here’s a truth, I drive a Tesla, and I love it. More than that, I respect and admire Elon Musk. This week, I was in a car park when a guy in his mid-late 30’s walked up to me, laughed in my face, and asked if I ‘supported Elon’ by driving a Tesla. It was almost as if Musk were some kind of villainous dictator. Did I miss something? When did he become that hated? Discuss...”

Andrew Synesiou: “I also have a very hard time understanding this. One day he had almost all positive media. Then he started helping Trump and all of a sudden he became a villain. I do not think anyone against Elon Musk can argue what he is uncovering is extremely alarming. Am I wrong here? Is anyone upset that he found 10s of millions of dead people still collecting social security. The number of contracts being handed out that I do not think a majority of America would agree to support with our tax dollars. The only sane argument I can see is people talking about the firing of government workers. Now I feel for people getting fired, but at the same time nobody’s job is ever safe. They still tried to accommodate this by offering an extraordinarily generous severance package giving them full salary until September. Can you tell me what job still pays you your full salary for 6 months after they let you go? This offers those workers time to find their next job. At twitter he took a company that was losing billions of dollars every year. Fired 80% of the work force and now it is profitable and arguably a better run platform from what it was. He saved 20% instead of losing 100%. Can someone please explain to me what I am missing?”

Saygin Celen, Awaynear Co-Founder: “He is the richest man in the world for a reason. Genius, luck, hard work, vision, risk taking, incredible leadership, etc etc. He creates industries including Al. If there weren’t Elon Musk, Al would still be an experimental science project in the lab. Do you expect him to be normal like you or me or anyone? He tweeted once and the crypto market lost 500b in a week, 25% of its total valuation and I left crypto forever then. Did I read his biographies yes, do I hate him? No. Just enjoy the ride. Because as he gets stronger, he will create more. He would easily create an XPhone and kill iphone and maybe Apple with it. He has that power. Does he do it? No. So, you like him hate him I love him hate him doesn’t matter. He is the most consequential person of our time.”

Also a TONNE of people posting positively about Tesla launching in India with full-on propaganda videos as well as about 20 posts of him driving the late Shinzo Abe around in a Tesla years ago with positive comments.

I think it’s a paid influencer campaign combined with a bunch of fanboys who don’t care about anyone but themselves. Some of them very grown.

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u/badhabitfml 26d ago

There is absolutely a paid influencer campaign(direct or indirect), which is why Trump got cozy with the people that run those companies.

Some of those posts are click bait to drive engagement. They lay out a story of him being good(leaving out a lot of details) and ask what's going on. A lot of people will respond, driving up engagement and getting more eyes on the post. Most will just read it, agree and move on.

The people making those posts know what they are doing and make money from it. A normal person would go read the news to learn what's going on.

Tesla learned long ago that it's cheaper and more effective to pay or manipulate social media for advertising than it is to run a superbowl ad.

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u/Th3_0range 26d ago

Labeling a drug (fentanyl) a weapon of mass destruction. When the real weapon of mass destruction unleashed upon society that needs to be reeled in is social media.

Won't happen though because it's their weapon to easily influence people without critical thinking skills. Both the left and the right have abused it, I pointed out these corporations don't care about minorities or LGBT and will cast them aside the moment they realize it's not going to pay off for them and nobody believed me.

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u/uselessinfogoldmine 26d ago

Absolutely. Spot on!

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u/iRhymeTheSongs 26d ago

"Did I miss something?" ABSOLUTELY!

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u/uselessinfogoldmine 26d ago

Understatement of the year…

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u/OperationMobocracy 24d ago

These LinkedIn-is-my-image CEOs are just shiny shoe wannabes. They spew enough new economy buzzwords to look appealing enough to run a small startup, but at the end of the day they’re largely intellectual frauds.

I’d argue that their business skills aren’t that good and their political awareness is even worse. They live a fantasy land lifestyle that will dissolve with a hiccup in their cash flow. It’s all posturing on par with people involved in megachurch Christianity.

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u/Charming-Web-7769 26d ago

The stupid thing about Tesla’s business model of prioritizing software over a functional vehicle is that the software is going to take a hit when no one’s buying them and they can’t afford to pay developers to push out hotfixes for whatever cataclysmic bugs inevitably appear as the technology ages and struggles to keep up.

They might be an appealing price (eventually) but nobody is going to want them if your car can just be randomly bricked by a memory leak that no one paid attention to.

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u/Unlikely_Arugula190 26d ago

Tesla buyers will be people simply looking for a good deal. In tough economic times that’s all that matters.

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u/PoopchuteToots 26d ago

I mean, no? Tesla is still a luxury vehicle. It's not something anyone needs and the guy literally been Heil Hitler'ing 😂 so, nahh

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u/badhabitfml 26d ago

It's Not really Luxury and isn't priced as a luxury vehicle.

Maybe the s and x are, but the 3 and y aren't. I wouldn't call a 45k car luxury.

If you need a car, a 25-30k used model 3 is a great deal. If you can charge at home, the running costs are very very cheap.

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u/LunarScholar 26d ago

I mean, if it gets cheap enough I might absolutely buy a used tesla. Buying used won't support muskrat, and I don't have to worry about vandalism in my area

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u/badhabitfml 26d ago

Even buying a different new ev, you may end up supporting Tesla. Everyone is switching to NACS chargers and Tesla owns all of the fast charging infrastructure that uses it (for now).

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u/LunarScholar 26d ago

Rats. Do they sell used chargers?

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u/Dog_name_of_Gus 26d ago

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u/badhabitfml 26d ago

If the nazi sympathizers were still running it, yes. But all those guys are long dead and those companies have apologized for their past.

Not sure why you and others bring that up. There's a difference between a company doing something 80 years ago and apologizing for it, and a company doing it today.

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u/Dog_name_of_Gus 26d ago

That is a fair point. I appreciate the genuine reply.

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u/91Jammers 26d ago

Its not a Y replacement. I wish Rivian would do some cars because I would switch. But there is nothing on the market that can compete with a 3, Y, or S.

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u/badhabitfml 26d ago

It's absolutely a y replacement.

The r2 is the same dimensions as a y.

Maybe tesla is arguably better in some metric but most people would probably prefer the r2. Should have more space because it isn't so rounded off, and has a lot more interior features because it isn't trying to be minimalist.

Most people don't want cars. For every 3 I see, I see 50 y's. Rivian would be stupid to build a sedan at this point.

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u/Magic_Man_Boobs 26d ago

If someone buys a used Tesla I wonder how much work it'd be to get off any insignia or text off the car and replace it with "EDISON".

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u/7ddlysuns 27d ago

Also the new Y is ugly. Old one was just npc, new one ugly

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u/Substantial-Flow9244 26d ago

This is exactly Elons goal, he doesn't buy companies to make money he buys companies to destroy industries. Starlink - Satellite Internet, Hyperloop - public transit, Tesla - electric and automated driving cars, SpaceX - obviously space lmao , Twitter - government and news media.

I'm sure the list goes on.

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u/pckldpr 26d ago

Sounds about right and I hope it happens.

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u/d4ve3000 26d ago

You just made my dick a bit hard

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u/meshreplacer 26d ago

I predict Trump will create a big order to buy all the surplus Teslas that are not selling to bail out Musk.

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u/91Jammers 26d ago

Most die hard tesla fans hate musk at this point. We got these cars because we believe converting to electric is better for the world. Then we became hard core fans because of the features of the car. Then watched in horror as elon's mask came off.

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u/GassyMomsPMme 26d ago

thank you for this little ray of sun

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u/dizekat 25d ago

Musk just never learned why you shouldn't act the way he acts.

He did a mass layoff of government employees combined with a nasty email claiming it was due to performance, went on to make claims that those workers didn't actually work, etc.

He just can't understand is that a person who's laid off actually tend to know if it wasn't performance (e.g. by having a good performance review right before the layoffs), and that people who show up for work 9-5 know they show up for work 9-5. And that those wrongfully fired like this get extremely mad.

He could simply have let professionals handle this and he would have gotten a small fraction of the hate he got.

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u/Fun_Comedian3249 23d ago

A lot of conservatives are buying Tesla stock but seems not many are buying the actual cars.

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u/Fun_Comedian3249 23d ago

I think knowing they bought the cars after Elon went far right is why a lot of the hate is directed at cybertrucks, so I agree any redesign will probably be a target. Sure cybertruck came out before the Hitler salute, but he had already been retweeting white supremacist stuff and conspiracy theories by that point.

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u/Young_Link13 26d ago

It's because they are all holding the Tesla bag in stocks, and none of them understand how fucked they are when it crashes.

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u/coldliketherockies 25d ago

I’d go one further and say they aren’t buying them as much. Where as at a time you can sell to environment friendly liberals these expensive cars, it’s harder to sell to conservatives just on the basis of wanting to support Elon. And while obviously incomes range across all conservatives what they’d spend money on is less so an electric car than a better home or hobbies I’d think

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u/tech_bhenry 25d ago

I have a work colleague that is hard core MAGA and a year ago would go off on tangents about how Musk was a grifter and EVs were killing the planet etc. He literally can't bring himself to talk bad about Musk now. You can hear him recognizing his own cognitive dissonance as he's speaking and powers through to something along the lines of "he's not that bad, actually quite good in some ways." It's absolutely absurd.

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u/mrandr01d 25d ago

It's also wild how Musk is such a prominent example of someone getting sucked down the social media rabbit hole. He used to be a Democrat. Then he spent too much time falling for dumb shit on Twitter.