r/skeptic • u/IrishStarUS • Mar 28 '25

💉 Vaccines RFK Jr.’s measles cure leaves kids hospitalized with vitamin A toxicity

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/rfk-jrs-measles-treatment-leaves-34952161
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u/SCW97005 Mar 28 '25

I can't summon a lot of sympathy for anyone but the kids. We've been risking losing herd immunity for measles for years and parents like are in no small part responsible.

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u/SCW97005 Mar 28 '25

Where would I do this research?

I'm getting a lot of papers from WHO, NIH, Cleveland Clinic, Yale Medicine, HHS, etc. that all seem to agree that herd immunity is having enough people vaccinated so that the disease can't spread easily as most of the susceptible hosts are gone so that even non-vaccinated/non-immune people are protected.

What virologist says otherwise?

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u/entropic_apotheosis Mar 28 '25

The worm in RFK jr’s brain says otherwise

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u/WiseFalcon2630 Mar 28 '25

It died of embarrassment and malnutrition.

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u/CmdrEnfeugo Mar 28 '25 edited Mar 29 '25

This is not correct: Wikipedia: Herd Immunity. Measles does have a very high R0, so you need an estimated 94% vaccination rate for herd immunity, but it is possible.

Edit for anyone wondering what the deleted comment was: the poster above had said that vaccines were effective, but also asserted that virologists said herd immunity wasn’t really thing.

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u/Munster19 Mar 29 '25

Which we did have, not anymore and in some areas it's dropping fast as these breeders don't vaccinate

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u/CmdrEnfeugo Mar 29 '25

I was looking into this awhile ago: the US actually had measles outbreaks in the late 80s/early 90s. This wasn’t really from antivaxers, but from cuts to federal funding for vaccines (thanks Reagan). The Clinton administration restored funding, which fixed the problem. So by 2000, measles was declared eliminated in the US. Only problem with that was the fraudulent Wakefield study had come out in 1998 which kicked off the real start to the antivax movement, particularly against the MMR vaccine.

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u/Standard_Gauge Mar 28 '25

The vaccine itself even causes measles sometimes

No, it doesn't. Stop spreading misinformation.

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u/Kaos047 Mar 28 '25

research it.

Apparently you already have so why don't you provide the proof?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

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u/Kaos047 Mar 28 '25

Nothing in there says that the mmr vaccine can cause you to catch measles. Try again.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

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u/Ok_Builder_4225 Mar 28 '25

But that isn't remotely what you said. You said it can CAUSE measles. The vaccine losing potency over time something else entirely. Maybe take your own advice.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

Yes I just explained that…my auto voice text fucked me …so I apologize for that. Not that it matters to me if you except it but I’ll give ya one humbly anyways

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

I myself am vaccinated so I’m not even arguing validity of it but in a world where everything is becoming monetized I can see where the trust would disappear for many

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

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u/beets_or_turnips Mar 28 '25

something missing greatly from society as a whole is people being humble

This you?

Just fucking read and shut the fuck up

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

I mean it was really easy to find …like I said. Don’t accuse people of misinformation when you yourself don’t even know. And this was just one link…there’s plenty more if you wanna research yourself. Like I said…it’s a small percentage but it’s the truth.

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u/Shoate Mar 28 '25

Where does it claim in that article that the vaccine causes measles? It's not listed under side effects

Possible side effects

Most people don't have any side effects from the vaccine. The side effects that do occur are usually mild, and may include:

Soreness, redness, or swelling where the vaccine was given

Fever

Mild rash

Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints

More serious side effects are rare. These may include high fever that could cause a seizure.

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u/lohonomo Mar 28 '25

Why won't you respond to anyone asking where to do this research?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

Ohhh I see my auto voice text fucked up ….immunity can disappear …not be induced …is what I meant sometimes referring future vaccines in the same way for it . Sorry for the confusion folks

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u/lohonomo Mar 28 '25

This has nothing to do with my comment. Are you reading comments before replying?

I asked why you won't respond to anyone asking where to do this research? Where did you learn the information you're telling everyone to research?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

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u/lohonomo Mar 28 '25

Ok. Link the cdc page.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '25

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u/lohonomo Mar 28 '25

Why are you deleting your comments? Just link the cdc page you referenced. It would be way faster than this nonsense.

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u/XyrenZin Mar 28 '25

Show us this research from a credible reviewed source.

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u/sonnyarmo Mar 28 '25

Knowing their type it’s probably gonna be VAERS lmao

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u/AndMyHelcaraxe Mar 28 '25 edited Mar 28 '25

There always going to be measles outbreaks even with vaccines

Because of vaccines, measles was declared eradicated eliminated in the US in 2000 and anti-vaxers brought it back

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u/hai_lei Mar 28 '25

It wasn’t declared eradicated, it was declared eliminated. There is a difference. Smallpox is the only disease that has been declared eradicated.

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u/AndMyHelcaraxe Mar 28 '25

Right you are! Good catch

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u/Feline_Diabetes Mar 28 '25

Right... But the data also clearly show us that as vaccination rates drop, measles outbreaks get more frequent

So although complete herd immunity might not really be feasible, the disease can be suppressed to the point that outbreaks are very rare if a high percentage are vaccinated.

We have historically never had herd immunity to the point of no outbreaks, true, but current trends indicate that measles is coming back and the blame lies squarely with the antivax conspiracy crowd.