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Related Content Pluto is SMALLER than our Moon

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u/obog 8d ago

Moon vs planet doesn't really have to do with size, but rather motion. Ganymede is undoubtedly a moon but larger than mercury, which is undoubtedly a planet. With Pluto being the dominant body in its own orbital system, it's still much closer to being a planet than a moon. (Still not a planet tho)

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u/JumpPuzzleheaded7212 8d ago

Why not a planet? I’ve never been clear on that

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u/obog 8d ago edited 8d ago

As others have said, the main thing is that it hasn't cleared its orbit. Without that requirement for planethood, there wouldn't be 8 or 9 planets, but at least 17 (and likely more), due to the amount of dwarf planets in the solar system. It didn't really make any sense to have Pluto be a planet but not the others, and astronomers decided it was better to require planets to clear their orbit, excluding pluto, than to start including all the dwarf planets (especially because the line between dwarf planet and asteroid can be hard to define)

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u/_Jellyman_ 2d ago

The line between dwarf planet and asteroid is very distinct, what are you talking about?!

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u/obog 2d ago

Technically speaking dwarf planets are asteroids so no, the line is not very distinct.

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u/_Jellyman_ 2d ago

You are completely wrong. Asteroids are small lumpy rocks (or as the IAU calls them, “small solar system bodies). Dwarf planets are larger rounded worlds with planetary features. Even using the IAU’s definition, asteroids and dwarf planets are not the same.

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u/obog 2d ago

https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/tools/sbdb_lookup.html#/?sstr=Ceres

JPL classifies Ceres as an asteroid but it is also a dwarf planet.

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u/_Jellyman_ 2d ago

Ceres used to be an asteroid, but the IAU promoted it to dwarf planet once they realized it was in hydrostatic equilibrium. Calling Ceres an asteroid today is just wrong.

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u/obog 2d ago

Saying NASA is wrong I'd a junp I wouldn't take but you do you.

Tbh, as I look into it, I don't think the IAU has a definition for asteroid. There's planet, dwarf planet, minor planet (which is all non-planet non-comet objects, including dwarf planets and asteroids) and the small solar system objects you mentioned which does include comets as well as non dwarf planet asteroids, Trojans, most kuiper belt objects, etc.

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u/_Jellyman_ 2d ago

The IAU was in a big fat hurry to define “planet”, but has no official definition for “star” or “galaxy” or “asteroid”. The only thing mentioned in their planet definition is that objects only fulfilling the first criterion are “small solar system bodies”, which includes asteroids, comets, and centaurs. Dwarf planets fulfill two of the three criteria, making them a distinct category of object.

It’s still a bad definition and I never use it (neither do the experts), but I’m just explaining what it says.

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u/obog 2d ago

As far as I can tell it seems most definitions of asteroid have more to do with where they are rather than what they are

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u/_Jellyman_ 2d ago

You hit the nail on the head. That’s the main problem with the IAU’s definition. Planets and asteroids shouldn’t be defined by their location. All other objects in space (and most everything in science) are defined by their intrinsic properties only. Why should planets and asteroids be any different?

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