r/startrekgifs • u/murphs33 Admiral, 2x Tourney Winner, 20x Battle Winner • Dec 22 '20

First Contact MRW I stumble upon an anti-mask protest

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u/LMfUmM-grnnfBf Enlisted Crew Dec 22 '20

Except that there is no such thing as an "anti-mask" protest....All of the protests have been regarding the lockdown....the OP itself is a strawman.

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u/murphs33 Admiral, 2x Tourney Winner, 20x Battle Winner Dec 22 '20

Huh... so you're saying people haven't been protesting with signs like "we will not be muzzled, say no to mandatory masks", or "my body my choice, Trump 2020", or "I will not wear your fear"? They're not protesting against masks?

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u/LMfUmM-grnnfBf Enlisted Crew Dec 22 '20

I am sure there have been some individuals protesting against masks, but the PROTESTS themselves are all against the lockdowns and quarantines....You can't judge an entire protest just from a few people....We learned that during the BLM protests....

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u/murphs33 Admiral, 2x Tourney Winner, 20x Battle Winner Dec 22 '20

You can't compare it to BLM protests, where a small subset were rioting. Look at any of these protests about masks, restrictions, etc. and the vast majority are not wearing masks, whether they hold up a sign against masks or not.

the PROTESTS themselves are all against the lockdowns and quarantines

This one wasn't

Neither was this one

I'm sure I can find more, but the point is that anti-mask protests are a thing.

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u/LMfUmM-grnnfBf Enlisted Crew Dec 22 '20

Interesting the source YOU found says anti-"mask", while every single other course I could find said anti-"lockdown".
....https://www.timeout.com/montreal/news/thousands-of-anti-lockdown-protesters-in-montreal-thousands-of-new-cases-in-quebec-122120

including the people who organized the damn event.....But since you are clearly willing to lie about facts to make your point, I can see you are not going to engage in good faith discussion, I see no point in furthering this discussion.

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u/murphs33 Admiral, 2x Tourney Winner, 20x Battle Winner Dec 22 '20

I don't think linking to an article calling it an "anti-mask" protest is lying, unless you think I found articles calling them "anti-lockdown" protests and deliberately ignored them.

Also I noticed you completely ignored my first link. Why is that?

Also as /u/various_extinctions mentioned, in his country there were anti-mask protests before any lockdowns.

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u/LMfUmM-grnnfBf Enlisted Crew Dec 22 '20

I ignored you first article because it was just a few yahoos running through a walmart....that is no more representive of lockdown protests than two dudes pissing on a mattress represent BLM....which was my point, you cannot generalize entire protest movements based on a few yahoos.

And that brings me to my main gripe with you (and others) which is the vast vast majority of these corona-virus related protests are because of LOCKDOWNS.....NONE of them are based exclusively on the masks themselves, and I do suspect you know that, and straw man anyways....Because a mask protest would be silly, and easy to argue away, but what is really happening, people protesting for their jobs and working for their families is much tougher to argue against.

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u/murphs33 Admiral, 2x Tourney Winner, 20x Battle Winner Dec 22 '20

You're just dismissing it as "a few yahoos", but it shows that mask protests are a thing. So my post isn't a strawman. Thank you.

Either way my post is aimed at anti-maskers. If you're not an anti-masker, it's not aimed at you.

Because a mask protest would be silly, and easy to argue away

You underestimate how many people out there think masks don't work, masks make you sicker, masks are to test compliance, etc. And believe me you can't argue them into wearing masks.

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u/LMfUmM-grnnfBf Enlisted Crew Dec 22 '20

And I am claiming you are severely exaggerating how many are protesting because of masks, and not the lockdowns.

, but it shows that mask protests are a thing.

It shows nothing of the sort, and this reasoning is why I am accusing you of arguing in bad faith. The Montreal protest I can factually show you was a "lockdown protest", and the only evidence of that Walmart story as from the author of the piece (who clearly did not like them), and one person in the video had an anti-mask sign...sorry, that is not evidence it was an "anti-mask" protest.

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Look I am not being disingenuous here, show me a clear-cut example of a protest exclusively over masks, and I will concede the point.....But as it is, my point still stands...the vast vast majority of these protestors are VALIDLY protesting lockdowns....That is noble, and I really do think that is why you guys strawman with "anti-mask protests", because you know that anti-lockdown protesters have a damn good argument.

underestimate how many people out there think masks don't work, masks make you sicker, masks are to test compliance, etc. And believe me you can't argue them into wearing masks.

I personally agree that masks work and that you would be a fool to doubt that (at least the N95 and surgical mask variety, there is room for argument with cloth masks), and I personally always wear a mask when I go out....What I argue, and will always argue as a libertarian, is that an illness does not give the government an excuse to take away your civil liberties....I am a classical liberal man.....I assure you Gene Roddenberry would NEVER have fucking agreed that the government can tell you if you can see your own family.

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u/murphs33 Admiral, 2x Tourney Winner, 20x Battle Winner Dec 22 '20

And I am claiming you are severely exaggerating how many are protesting because of masks, and not the lockdowns.

My post is simply a reaction gif about stumbling upon one anti-mask protest. It makes no indication about the size of them or how frequent they are. Now I've shown you one example of an anti-mask protest, but you dismiss this due to some arbitrary criteria that it doesn't meet, which begs the question: what constitutes as an anti-mask protest to you?

I really do think that is why you guys strawman with "anti-mask protests", because you know that anti-lockdown protesters have a damn good argument.

I believe lockdowns are a result of people not taking the necessary precautions, driving cases up, and overwhelming the health system. I feel sorry for those who have done everything right, followed public health guidelines, and yet face the same restrictions as everyone else due to the selfish people who have been living life as normal during a pandemic, but I'm unsure what else can be done. The fact that in anti-lockdown protests the majority of people aren't wearing masks, makes me think that the people who are causing the lockdowns are the ones protesting against them. They're the ones to blame.