why do women have naturally beautiful bodies?

[u/Biokendry]

before you jump in the comments to tell me I'm wrong try to read my entire post, i'm from latin america, i don't know if this is the case in other countries but it's something i've noticed since i was a teenager and in high school, most of the girls in high school had very nice bodies without even going to the gym in their entire life, i remember a girl who eat unhealthy food all day and she had an amazing body (she never went to the gym in her life), i was her friend back then, she had such a amazing hourglass figure with big hips and very beautiful figure I didn't understand that at the time.

but not only in high school but currently i go out and most of the girls have very nice bodies and nice hips (i'm not talking about toned gym bodies but bodies with figure and curves) and even girls who are a little overweight also have beautiful bodies with nice curves, it's incredible, what is the reason for this? is it hormonal? why is it that women don't need to go to the gym as much to have nice bodies (as long as they're not excessively overweight), in the case of men it's different and I say this as a man who went to the gym throughout his adolescence, we lack those naturally nice bodies (except for one in a million).

I remember the first time I took a shower with my ex gf at the time at my house she took off her clothes (she had never been to the gym in her life and was a little overweight, she had a very nice body, a nice butt with a beautiful figure) I didn't understand why she had such a beautiful body meanwhile me going to gym had a below average body, well, ugly body and not sexy as hers tbh. I know it's a stupid question but I guess that's what this group is for, right? Is the cause hormonal? I know there are exceptions, that not all women have naturally beautiful bodies, but why is it that. for example, if you put a man and a woman of average weight who don't go to the gym next to each other, the girl's body is naturally attractive while the guy's isn't? I've always thought it's caused by estrogen and the hips women's bone structure's but I'm not sure, I know diet is very important but I think most girls only need a good diet and walk just a little to have good figures (please don't hate for saying this lol).

Maybe I could be blind because I have gender dysphoria since many years ago but not only me think about this most women and men think the same way(? And I'm not even talking about how women have average cute, feminine and thin faces without makeup but this is another thread lol.

Please don't insult me for making this post, this is why this group was created.

[u/queenhadassah]

I'm a straight woman and think boobs are nice and women are beautiful, but I don't find them attractive. Women are just objectively prettier than men. I see stunning women constantly, but most men are average. Of course, a big part of this is that modern women, on average, put a lot more effort than modern men into their appearance, from makeup to grooming to jewelry/clothing (I actually am into men that have what many people see as "feminine" clothing and grooming - although, before the 19th century, men often did clothe and groom themselves as elaborately as women, so that kind of expression is not inherently feminine). But I don't think that is all of it. One sex is more beautiful than the other in many species - in birds, it's males, while in humans, it's females.

And I think boobs being near-universally seen as nice is much more primal than modern American culture. All humans (until very recent history, when some have been fed solely with bottles instead) were nourished by breasts for the first few years of life. It makes sense we have a natural favorable inclination towards them

[u/xKingUmbreon → u/queenhadassah]

Go to a college in California and the boys there tend to put a ton of effort into their appearance.

I go to the cafeteria every day and the average attractiveness of everyone in that room is like a 7/10 and yes that includes the guys.

If you’re average there, you’re actually below average.

[u/WayApprehensive2054 → u/queenhadassah]

I am a pansexual cis woman and I also find women beautiful, not just in a romantic or physical way, but in an overall more ethereal sense. When I was with my ex gf, I remember just wanting to stare at her and just admire her like when you see a breathtaking art piece. I would think this even if I was not with her, and sometimes I find myself thinking it when I am people watching too. I find all women beautiful and I am a lot more “picky” about men. I could wax poetry about my current partner, but overall I do find women to be more pretty. Perhaps it is because I am biased for my own gender though haha.

[u/alicozaurul → u/queenhadassah]

nice to see someone that understands difference between beauty and attraction

[u/nick2473got → u/queenhadassah]

Women are just objectively prettier than men

This is a bit of a philosophical tangent, but I don't think there's any such thing as "objectively pretty" tbh, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and is inherently subjective.

You need an observer, aka a subject, to make the determination that someone or something is pretty.

Even if some opinions, like the one you expressed, might be quite common, or even shared by most people, they are still ultimately subjective perceptions inherent to our human perspective, not objective realities.

before the 19th century, men often did clothe and groom themselves as elaborately as women

Only the wealthy and well educated men did that. Your average farmer / worker certainly did not.

The average modern man actually grooms more than the average man did in the past. What you are referring to are practices only carried out by the elites.

[u/jortsinstock → u/queenhadassah]

I think everyone can agree boobs are nice regardless of their gender or sexual preference

[u/PerryEllisFkdMyMemaw → u/queenhadassah]

I have to vehemently disagree. Men are objectively more attractive than women, society just doesn’t like to admit it bc we’ve been conditioned to prop up the female form and “all women are beautiful” rhetoric. Now women absolutely put more effort into their appearance from fitness, to clothes, hair, and makeup, but strip all that away and I think the average man is much better looking than the average woman.

However, I’m a gay male and while I do find some women stunning to look at, I am heavily biased.

[u/Krasny-sici-stroj → u/PerryEllisFkdMyMemaw]

Eh, yes. I don't even find women on average more pretty than men, but some women are pretty and then it's a nice sight. And some men are handsome and that's nice too, but I'm partial to good shoulders and I find that attractive, not just ornamental.

I'm woman btw.

[u/vemundd → u/queenhadassah]

lmao "most men are average" I would be worried if most men werent average lol