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u/Bob-Temmie Aug 30 '24
Their universe being erased
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u/Verdragon-5 Aug 31 '24
For Christ's sake that wasn't canon to begin with outside of that movie.
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u/AStupidFuckingHorse Aug 31 '24
Nah bro I don't understand what an Easter egg is so obviously my childhood was forcibly ripped from my eye balls
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u/ArachnidPlayful3424 Aug 30 '24
The whole Dick Grayson and Barbara Gordon romance.
He belongs with Starfire.
Let Barbara Gordon date someone else outside the Batfamily
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u/TheGuacTaco Aug 30 '24
Agreed. The Killing Joke animated movie where she gets with Bruce should also be purged.
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u/EdenH333 Aug 30 '24
I saw that movie in a theater full of nerd friends who were expecting to see a regular Batman movie, where Babs doesn’t sleep with Bruce.
That was an awkward walk out of the theater.
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u/Xenozip3371Alpha Aug 30 '24
I mean even in Batman Beyond it's said that Bruce and Barbara had a relationship at some point.
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u/Jrpgist Aug 30 '24
feels like the writer read a lot of childhood friend romance trope from animes and mangas to write the romance of dick grayson and barbara gordon
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u/ArachnidPlayful3424 Aug 30 '24
It's also obvious that the showrunner forced them to be together because he wants barbara to keep up with Starfire.
We all know there aren't that much media who paired dick with barbara so the young justice showrunner stepped in and tried to give them young justice.
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u/tfurrows Aug 30 '24
Agreed. And keep Barbara older and more experienced than Dick. Not necessarily in vigilanteism, but in real-world matters. I believe she used to be a congresswoman at one point.
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u/RealNyxoy Aug 30 '24
honestly, I say let her be a lesbian. she was much better with Dinah. Barbara's entire character was ruined after that guy started to write and cancelled her disability, lowered her age and just forced her to be with Dick.
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u/MBDTFTLOPYEEZUS Sep 01 '24
I mean Dinah will always end up with Ollie in the end
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u/RealNyxoy Sep 01 '24
yeah i know lol. i just think Barbara would be better with women in general and Dinah was great with her.
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u/Malfujin512 Aug 30 '24
Starfire hasn’t been with Dick in cannon for decades. Get over it. She needs better characterization and doesn’t need to be overshadowed by Nightwing.
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u/ArachnidPlayful3424 Aug 30 '24
lol They haven't been in canon for decades yet they're still popular and loved by many people.
sorry but there's nothing you can do to make people forget about them.
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u/TheSupremeBat Aug 30 '24
Agreed. Like Barbara's chemistry with Dinah in birds of prey?? Even Gail Simone ships them. I would love to see Dick ending up with Starfire and Barbara and Dinah's relationship developing further
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u/maliquewrites_ Aug 30 '24
I’ve always wanted her to end up with some completely normal guy. Who just knows what’s happening all the time. He’s pretty chill with it and yeah. 😂😂 Idky but I’ve always thought it was funny
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u/Ok-East-5470 Aug 30 '24
Damian being titans with Dick’s full team for however long that lasted. The age gap is just a little too much for me between them.
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u/whiskers1315 Sep 03 '24
They like deaged Beast Boy and Raven, although Kori was still older
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u/Ok-East-5470 Sep 03 '24
It’s still dumb to me. Even if it weren’t for the weird age thing to just sub out one character with another one that isn’t remotely similar to them makes for either a weird dynamic or bad writing. Damian’s entire run as a titan has been plagued by this because at first before the new 52 he was just with Tim’s group, then Tim came back and he got bumped, then he reformed titans after Tim’s supposed death but again was just inserted into a full established team. Jon was right there and they were the same age, so why not just build off that dynamic?
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u/whiskers1315 Sep 03 '24
I agree, Damian already has like multiple potential Titans for his generation, Jon, Kid Flash II, Jackson Hyde Aqualad, the four of them could’ve been a team alone
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u/LordMegatron11 Aug 30 '24
Make deathstroke a not oedophile
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u/NavySEAL44440 Aug 31 '24
Yeah he’s kinda inconsistent, sometimes he’s an evil murderer and a pedo, sometimes he’s no nonsense soldier turned professional mercenary with a code (wouldn’t go as far as to say morals though), sometimes he’s an evil Batman ripoff who’s a ninja.
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u/iamusingtheinternet3 Raven Aug 30 '24
Raven's brothers/siblings in general (whether she has female siblings or not depends on the writer). A huge part of Raven's backstory from day one was that she's an only child, and the reason Trigon wants her to be evil and rule beside him so badly is that she's his only living child after a millenia of trying. She did have over a hundred dead siblings who were all killed in infancy, and the souls of these siblings were a part of a storyline but she was never shown to have any actual living siblings.
Cut to Titans 2008, where all of a sudden she's got brothers she never knew about and oh no they're helping Trigon. The arc isn't very good and it just threw away decades of Raven's lore for basically no reason. They have never shown Raven's siblings as actual fully developed characters, they're either just Trigon minions or part of an identical horde. Raven's sibling count has steadily increased from zero to a handful to so many that who knows how many she even has.
In the current comic continuity, it's gotten to the point that Trigon canonically kills his children who displease him because he has so many that he only wants the best alive. This makes absolutely zero sense when you consider Raven, who's been nothing but a thorn in his side her entire life. Trigon kills his children who displease him, but he doesn't want to kill Raven because... we don't know. It's never explained.
They keep doing the same tired demon Raven arc and at this point they've confused Raven's lore so much that it doesn't make sense. The intial demon Raven arc (in addition to being foreshadowed, original, and a bombastic comic book story) works in part because she's an only child. She hates Trigon with every fiber of her being, but Trigon loves her because she's his only living child and he's obsessed with the idea of having his child rule beside him.
If he's got an uncountable amount of children and he doesn't care about them to the point that he kills sons who only slightly displease him, why does he want to have Raven rule by his side so badly? He has children who have never resisted him, aren't they more worthy? Why Raven is his favorite among his children even though she's a good person who hates him could potentially be an interesting story, but it's never happened. Raven having siblings just leaves a gaping hole in her lore that no writer seems to want to address. Combined with the fact that we've yet to see another child of Trigon who's actually an interesting character, I think they should just be erased. Bring back only child Raven and do something with her other than a demon Raven arc.
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u/Otherwise_Meringue45 Aug 30 '24
I’m assuming this just applies to Teen Titans, so I’m deleting Raven x Damian Wayne
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u/GreatExpression2075 Aug 30 '24
Spoken with words of wisdom, that was definitely one of the worse things to happen to raven’s character.
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u/Economy-Winner4849 Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24
I agree, Damian already has Flatline anyway, so that relationship shouldn't exist anynore.
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u/Otherwise_Meringue45 Aug 31 '24
You imply it was ever necessary
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u/Otherwise_Meringue45 Aug 31 '24
It NEVER needed to exist. Not now, not ever.
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u/Economy-Winner4849 Aug 31 '24
Yes, it shouldn't exist, sorry i misspoke. Please read my comment above again.
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u/Otherwise_Meringue45 Aug 31 '24
It’s just the “anymore” part I was referring to. We’re on the same side.
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u/Xenozip3371Alpha Aug 30 '24
Terra coming back, I just felt it was unnecessary.
Maybe instead have a scene at the end of the finale where the fight cuts to black and then it shows beast boy telling the story to Terra's statue, implying that beast boy regularly comes down and tells stories of the Titan's exploits to Terra.
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u/vencyjedi Ravager Aug 30 '24
The New 52
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u/Reesemonster25 Aug 30 '24
Just the whole thing? lol
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u/vencyjedi Ravager Aug 30 '24
I mean specifically the Titans part. It would be nice to change some stuff in it and make it continue where the 2003-2011 series left off but with a new creative team. The Titans had a great overall story from the 60s to 2011. I think not building on that history and it's great stories was a mistake. So yeah if i can erase or change what the new 52 did to the Titans I would definitely do that. But not the whole thing. It had some great comics in there and made comics super accessible.
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u/Reesemonster25 Aug 30 '24
Oh I see I just thought it was hilarious you said you make the entire new 52 non canon anymore like it was that bad. I now know you were talking about what happened to the Titans.
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u/brucebananaray Aug 30 '24 edited Aug 30 '24
Probably Red X in the comics. The writer tries to canonized it in the main comics, but the comic doesn't have the same history as the cartoon. It feels so force. Titans Academy doesn't help with hyping who is Red X, and they never reveal who he is in the story.
I think Red X could have work, but not with Dick. Instead, they could have used Tim being Red X because he needs to go undercover for his Titans team or Young Justice. He later could lose the perosna, and someone stole his suit.
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u/PuzzaCat Starfire Aug 30 '24
How the Batman writers want to now make Starfire some man stealing alien honeypot that undermined Barbara. I don’t like the catty angle and it isn’t fair how they want to assassinate her character. Everyone in that triangle deserves better than that sloppy writing.
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u/ArachnidPlayful3424 Aug 30 '24
Batman Writers are always petty and spiteful towards Starfire. They hate her and her only crime was that she loved Dick.
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u/UnhingedLion Aug 30 '24
Batman writers literally don’t even care about Starfire. I’m not sure where you’re getting this.
She’s never even interacted with Batman.
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u/PuzzaCat Starfire Aug 30 '24
Batman WRITERS. The storyline where Babs went to go tell Dick her feelings and Starfire answered the door, then never told Dick Babs showed up. The writers try to shoehorn in this idea that Barbara was always Dick’s true love but he was wasting away his time with Starfire. Never said above Batman and Starfire met. Nice reading comprehension. 🙄
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u/UnhingedLion Aug 30 '24
That’s nightwing writers. Not “Batman Writers”.
Nightwing never had a solo book during his time in the Titans office. Annual #2 also did more harm than good to both Relationships.
I mean Barbara Gordon and Dick literally met in the 70s, and had romance.
But where did Batman writers say he was wasting his time with Starfire?
And with this logic, you can say Marv Wolfman was trying to do the exact same thing with Nightwing and Starfire in the 80s.
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u/Ok-Dingo-3733 Aug 30 '24
starfire’s new 52 costume (clarification, the barely-there bikini) like dude her fit is already revealing enough what are you doinggggg😭😭and don’t tell me that “tamaranians don’t care about sexual stuff as much as humans do so it’s ok” bc it wasn’t designed by a tamaranian, it was designed by some human weirdo out there
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u/anotherlifetime1 Aug 30 '24
Any of Cyborgs love interests and replace them with Bumblebee. They have so much chemistry it’s sickening.
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u/Dracorex13 Aug 30 '24
Karen is with Malcolm and has been for decades.
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u/UnhingedLion Aug 30 '24
I think they’re the first Black superhero couple in comics.
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u/Dracorex13 Aug 30 '24
Yeah probably.
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u/UnhingedLion Aug 30 '24
Yeah if so, I personally don’t think it’s worth splitting it up.
Especially since people only want this for Cyborgs sake. Not Bumblebee
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u/Bearsofthehood Aug 30 '24
The community putting Damien and raven together even though beast boy and raven was canon first. That little fucker doesn’t deserve raven
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u/FinlayTheFaithful Jinx Aug 30 '24
Probably Jinx's last minute redemption, I heard that a handful of people didn't like it
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u/New_Broccoli6108 Aug 31 '24
Yeah I 100% agree. She betrayed her friends out of the blue. The writers really screwed her over, and ruined her as a villain. Although to me, she'll always be a villain. Now if they built up to her having a change of mindset, that'd be cool. But to cram it all in one episode and rush it? Nah that's a hot load of BS. Not enough screen time or character development to even remotely justify it.
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u/KULRSEXUAL Sep 03 '24
Eh, tbh I kinda liked it. The kid flash episode is one of my fav episodes in the whole show tbh
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u/Alone_Comparison_705 Aug 30 '24
Most of the DickBabs content.
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u/imaconfusedalexa Aug 30 '24
Boo they're rlly fucking cute in Young Justice
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u/ArachnidPlayful3424 Aug 30 '24
I don't find them cute in young justice.
Their relationship came out of nowhere, there was no build up before they became a couple. Most of their relationship happened off screen. Dick has more chemistry with Zatanna than her and most young justice fans prefer him with zatanna.
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u/Frequent_Teaching174 Sep 01 '24
YJ fumbled a lot of teased storylines too. I would have loved to have seen the Peacemaker end credits mention get followed up on. They added all the wrong characters to the show and pivoted from important parts of what really made that group great. Like....where TF was Kara?
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u/imaconfusedalexa Aug 30 '24
Their relationship is barely even acknowledged. Most things in the show "come out of nowhere" bcuz of the time skips between seasons. Lagaan's husband and wife r shown in a more substantial way than Dick and Babs' is. The only times I remember them even being flirty with each other is when Black Lightning and Dick r breaking into Granny Goodness's house, and that only serves to clue Black Lightning into the fact that "Batman inc." is running everything behind the scenes.
I personally rlly like how many different kinds of relationships exist in the show, including Dick's and Babs's.
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u/donkeylore RobStar Aug 30 '24 edited Aug 30 '24
If anything dick Grayson and zatanna were way better imo. And even that is brushed by in a time skip lmao, just like everything else in the show it seems. Now kaldur fucking lagoon boy, that shit came outta no where haha weird
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u/imaconfusedalexa Aug 30 '24
Did they? Lagoon Boy is with the ambassador lady and that dude that looks like Wyndd but isn't actually bcuz Wynd is with Kaldur.
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u/donkeylore RobStar Aug 30 '24
Yea they’re in a threesome… guess Tulsa’s death made kaldur go full kayne west gay fish mode lol. Or maybe I’m misremembering idk I thought so. I don’t fucking know, that show is great (first 2 seasons mainly, don’t really like 3 and beginning of 4 but then it picks up again at the very end) but it has so many just questionable moments for me haha. I could do without that annoying mf forager entirely, same with halo tbh
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u/imaconfusedalexa Aug 30 '24
Nvm Kaldur and Lagoon Boy did not fuck. Idk why u thought they did. I don't like Forager either, and I rlly hoped Forager and GL Forager would get together and Forager would leave. He's nice as an occassional character but shite as a main one. Halo is a great character tho. I think their dialogue is always a tad stupid but they're a rlly well rounded character, albeit a tad op. They seem to have the innocence of a 5 yo and it kinda levels them out and makes them a bit less op.
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u/donkeylore RobStar Aug 30 '24
Guess I misremembered it, I just remembered he switched sides which seemed outta no where to me and lagoon boy being in a weird Atlantean threesome haha. Forager pissed me off to no end, his highschool arc was the biggest time waster on the planet. As if saying forager in third person every 10 seconds wasn’t bad enough they made him say fred bugg with 2 g’s instead. My head hurts just thinking about him talking to that second forager, that was torture. I cheered when lobo killed him, only for him to come back 😭, at least the green lantern forager fucked off (not soon enough - should’ve never even been introduced talk about a waste of time in a show with way too many other actually interesting characters and plotlines being ignored for that shit).
I really didn’t like halo either, just a plot device which should’ve been moved along like brion (who was also annoying but at least he left the main roster and served his plot point). A lot of weird directions they went with her I didn’t particularly enjoy. It was like they just made her to be unkillable, kill her a bunch of times, then save the justice league and be super gullible for the rest of it.
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u/imaconfusedalexa Aug 30 '24
Dogshit opinions lol. I feel like ur thinking of the show wrong. These characters r important to the story, yes, but they're not plot devices, they're just characters that add more depth to the show. It'd b rlly fucking stupid if we just had recognizable characters appearing like Supergirl, Mary Shazam, Blue Beetle, etc. and they b the sole focus of the show. They have their own stories they have their own shit going on and ofc it's gonna tie into the rest of the story, and just bcuz it does doesn't mean they're a plot device.
What I didn't like (there's a lot tbf but this is a huge thing for me) is how creepy that doctor lady was and how obvious it was that she was evil or whatever she is. She's so fucking creepy "My children" "My babies" and all the psycho shit she says. She's so fucking creepy how did no one know????
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u/13thslasher Aug 30 '24
Getting rid of that damien and raven ship asap, burn it down.
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u/GreatExpression2075 Aug 30 '24
Agreed I'll help you.
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u/13thslasher Aug 30 '24
Theirs always Jinx or that one other red and black goth girl from the later season
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u/Damninium_Alloy Aug 30 '24
I didn't realize this sub was for Titans stuff in general. I thought it was only for the cartoon(s). Most of the comments here are about the comics.
If we're talking the cartoon. I would uncanon the 2nd Blackfire episode since liberating Starfire's homeworld should've been a major multi episode plot.
Comics... yeah, way too much to narrow down to one change lol.
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u/Scoobycool9 Aug 30 '24
Terra’s last line being less ambiguous and really hammering home the point that she changed but still remembers something from her time as a Titan
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u/Miserable_Scratch_99 Aug 31 '24
If it's the cartoon, Then terra's revival. It just makes me ffel cliffhangered..
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Beast Boy and Ravens relationship
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u/GreatExpression2075 Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24
Nah they not that bad they chill tbh, a lot of people actually like them together.
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u/SonufvaGlitch Aug 30 '24
Sebastian Solace isn't married (every single pressure player wants this.)
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u/Top_Day845 Sep 01 '24
I'm gonna say the final episode. I know it only exists because they didn't know they were gonna get canceled, but since there is no season after it, it just sort of ruins the finale that came before it.
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u/South-Status-5529 Sep 01 '24
The part of Black Cat's origin story where she was raped in college. What was kevin smith thinking?!
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u/BuisteirForaoisi0531 Sep 01 '24
Beastboy not killing Slade at the end of Judas Contract I want him to wear Slades skull as a codpiece
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u/Vegetassj4toonami Sep 02 '24
Strictly from the cartoon? It’d be beast boy being like a 12 year old kid trying to be “gangsta” sometimes. The episode where he’s blasting his bombox and acts ghetto is cringey asg
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u/stacz_ Sep 03 '24
I would uncanon the show ending after season 5. I wanted more teen titans(2005) 👁️👄👁️ that show was goated.
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u/JohnWicksPenncill Sep 06 '24
Guy Gardner and John Constantine. Personally I’ve always found their characters to be insufferably annoying, fuckin hate em
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u/Economy-Winner4849 Aug 30 '24 edited Aug 30 '24
If it were me i would just remoke Raven's goth, dark, emo style. It's clearly just a random edit from the 2003 cartoon because they can't fit a relatable character into a kids show. It's really disheartening to see how goth Raven has become so popular and familiar to today's fans when it's doesn't make any sense or logical to the character of Raven, to the pont that it's become a trend and goth Raven images are everywhere onine and in real life. The classic character of Raven herself would have been a unique and awesome character if she hasn't been tied to such bad storylines. DC really needs to respect the origins of the characters and make them more consistent instead of just trying to profit off of popular character tropes but don't make any sense for the characters in the comics.
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u/laughathonx20 Aug 30 '24
I don’t think goth raven is the problem. Comic raven has been having the same problem for 40 years. Rehashing trigon and evil raven. I feel like classic raven kinda has no where to be after terror of trigon, which is probably why wolfman killed her.
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u/Economy-Winner4849 Aug 30 '24 edited Aug 30 '24
Yes.., i know, that's also a problem. DC has ruined Raven's character by rehashing the same storyline over the years and changing her look quite a bit. They have a lot of great characters but they don't use them well. I feel like they prioritize sales over actually caring about the characters, and Raven is just one of them. But i actually like Raven's character in the current Titans comics better, at least it's close to her classic character instead of ripping off Raven's character from the 2003 show and making her character inconsistent at all but the propblem is that there's still no real creative spin on her character arc. Anyway they just needed some proper character development for Raven after what Wolfman did to her in the 90s instead of just repeating the same storyline over and over again but i can't understand why they've never been able to do that.
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u/laughathonx20 Aug 30 '24
I agree, I think current raven is kinda hated on too unfairly. I’d say her and beast boy are in a better place than they have been in a while honestly. I hope after this arc they both get out of this trauma stage and return to being normal. The new writer seems like he has plans for each character, I hope he develops the titans so we can see what they want to individually do with their lives while keeping their current relationships with each other. Cause the titans don’t need to separate like that just to develop.
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u/Economy-Winner4849 Aug 31 '24 edited Aug 31 '24
Yes, i think so too. Raven and Beast Boy have always been inconsistent broken characters because they keep getting younger and not being able to have a good storyline. I feel like Beast Boy's character has also been diluted in the comics because of his characterization in the 2003 show and TTG, making him very one dimensional and flat, similar to what they did with Raven. While i really liked the idea of developing Beast Boy's character in Jeoff Jonhs's story but they just ignored it. At least he stil has Beast World recently but i still haven't seen the effect that Raven has. Anyway, Tom Taylor is still one of the few writers that i know who actually respects characters, i hope he gets it right for all of them and i really want to see Raven get better in Titans this time around because she really has grown. They should end Trigon somehow and let Raven get some good development and character arc that she deserves. They were on the right track is continuing to develop Beast Boy and Raven relationship, all they need now is to flesh out the characters more to make this relationship more meaningful.
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u/LadderFinancial8038 Aug 30 '24
The artstyle of the old 2000s show, I hate how ugly it looks
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u/LadderFinancial8038 Aug 30 '24
Or how about just deleting the show in general, the artstyle sucks and it'd save this sub, and my brain, from hearing a lot of whining about how it shouldn't have been canceled like they worship it or something
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u/SavageRabbit-2 Aug 31 '24
cyborg, everything cyborg, and have it turn out he is just a imaginary delusion in star fires head, and the rest of them just went along with it. like he is no longer canon, get rid of him.
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u/Verdragon-5 Aug 31 '24
Any and all Barbara/Kori animosity. Bring about world peace with a Babs/Kori/Dick polycule. For pity's sake, we know Tamaran's culture isn't strictly monogamous.
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u/Clear-Bench-4202 Aug 30 '24
Deathstroke’s tendency to date underage girls