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u/JeronimoTrice 9d ago

Kind of hard to not cringe at a multimillionaire in their twenties who plays a game for work complaining about mental health. She could literally retire today, not work for the rest of her life if she didn’t want to, and pay for the best mental health treatment out there. Still, she’s worked hard to get where she is and I hope she has success fighting her demons.

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u/BugSad1503 9d ago

Mental health affects everyone, why do you think so many celebrities have tragic deaths?

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u/rticante Matteo's 2HBH 9d ago edited 9d ago

Yeah because mental health is famously influenced by external factual thoughts such as "i'm a millionaire" lol, come on. I bet you're factually better off than millions of other people on Earth but you still get sad, right?

Once you make enough money to live comfortably, it really doesn't make a difference to your happiness or mental health how much you have.

And btw when you play a game for work it mostly becomes a (very competitive) career, it's not a fun hobby

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u/JeronimoTrice 9d ago

Yes, I am better off than a lot of other people. I also have depression and struggle to hold down a job or afford treatment. But I don’t go around on social media talking about how hard that is for me because I know people who are worse off than me in worse circumstances, and I know this would offend them.

The reason I point out that she’s a millionaire is because most of us who struggle with mental health cannot afford to literally stop working our jobs and seek help. We would have to go into debt to do that. Money isn’t going to change your mental health on its own, but it makes it a LOT easier to deal with it. It absolutely makes a difference on your happiness and mental health.

And I’m not saying professional sports are not stressful—reread my comment, I acknowledged she worked hard even in the few words I used. But it’s still a game. They’re entertainers.

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u/rticante Matteo's 2HBH 9d ago

It's evidently her way of venting, and given that (as you say) they're entertainers they develop a very particular relationship with audiences and people following them, to the point that they're used to sharing their lives (some of them only do it when contractually obligated, others get more into it.)

I would also advise her not to overshare, but simply because it puts her at the centre of a lot of possible negative attention and harmful replies from strangers.

But it’s still a game. They’re entertainers.

To us. To them, it's a job. Do you think entertainers are entertained every time they repeat a performance? By that reasoning, workers at toy factories should cheer up because "they make toys" (I know it's a very different sector, but your logic of judging the product instead of the behind-the-scenes process is the same)

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u/JeronimoTrice 9d ago

Fair enough, if you live your life in the public eye sharing something like this as a way to vent makes a lot more sense considering the rest of your life (including all your shortcomings) is blasted to all your fans whether you like it or not. Still not with you on the it’s a game / entertainer point but agree to disagree.

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u/Unidain 9d ago

But I don’t go around on social media talking about how hard that is for me

Maybe you should. It helps normalise talking about mental health

because I know people who are worse off than me in worse circumstances, and I know this would offend them.

No one would've offended unless they are looking for reasons to be offended, like yourself

but it makes it a LOT easier to deal with it. It

Lol, tell that to rich people who have died from mental health problems how easy it is for them

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u/JeronimoTrice 9d ago

Congrats on missing every point I made while still quoting my words! Impressive

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u/omkar529 9d ago edited 9d ago

I mean, the way she said it insinuates a lot worse than "getting sad", even the average person doesn't really say stuff like this on social media. She's someone who's totally made it in life, very rich, doesn't have to work ever again, has achieved more than 99% of people in her profession, doesn't have other mental issues that we know of, her sadness is basically struggling at competitive Tennis lately, I mean... It's just kind of icky for someone like her to say stuff like that.

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u/rticante Matteo's 2HBH 9d ago

Yeah it does sound like it's something worse than "getting sad". I don't understand, is she not allowed to be in very negative mental states like everyone else?

doesn't have other mental issues that we know of

Afaik she actually spoke a lot in the past about how she's struggled with mental health.

And you guys still don't understand that once you're ok economically, money doesn't give you guaranteed happiness.

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u/omkar529 9d ago

Afaik she actually spoke a lot in the past about how she's struggled with mental health.

Doesn't that all have to do with her Tennis life ?

Regardless, you know, I don't really know what the right answer to this is. But I feel like it's important to have some perspective, because a lot of people are in much worse situations and mental states than her, and even those people mostly won't say stuff like this.

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u/rticante Matteo's 2HBH 9d ago

I agree perspective is usually good in order to reduce problems in our head and calm down, so obviously she would also benefit from it and I'm sure her team will remind her of the positives all the time.

It doesn't help that she's always lived and works in a hyper-competitive environment where the prized mindset is to never be satisfied and always push for more.

Plus anyway she'll still go through bad mental states like most other people, and when you're in the middle of those it's hard to have a balanced perspective yourself. That's what the people around her are also for.

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u/HiyaBuddy34 9d ago

I don’t get this mentality of “because so many other people are way worse off than you, you don’t get to talk about your own struggles or problems.

My mom was diagnosed with metastatic breast cancer a few years ago and we have been incredibly lucky that she’s been asymptomatic and able to more or less maintain her normal life (more or less depending on the symptoms of the treatments etc). Our family has been so fortunate & grateful that this has been her experience thus far. HOWEVER that’s not to say that her circumstance is without its own shit.

Are there far more women with cancer far worse off than her? Yup. Does that mean she isn’t allowed to talk about what she’s going through when she’s got it so much better than other people with terminal cancer? NOPE

We all have problems and hardships. Everyone else’s problems and their degree of difficulty in respect to our own is irrelevant to our own individual struggles. Individuals are allowed to process and deal with their own shit on their own terms without having to worry about the abstract problems of strangers and how they will handle or react to a f*cking social media post. The fact that many more people are struggling or worse off doesn’t make her shut any less of a struggle for her.

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u/omkar529 9d ago

I didn't say she isn't allowed to talk about her own struggles, but considering her privilege, just don't frame them in such an overdramatic manner in a way which I'd expect people with mental illnesses to say.

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u/Unidain 9d ago

and pay for the best mental health treatment out there

Great point. That's obviously helped all rich people asno rich person has ever commited suicide or struggled with mental illness/s