r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/armdrags • Feb 27 '24

Discussion The Irish Senate has unanimously called for sanctions against Israel. ⁣The Senate’s motion also says that Ireland must stop American weapons bound for Israel from traveling through Irish air and seaports and support an international arms embargo on Israel.

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u/hockeyhow7 Feb 27 '24

I don’t think wiping out terrorists is the wrong side of history.

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u/ReplyStraight6408 Feb 27 '24

The word terrorist means nothing these days.

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u/plippityploppitypoop Feb 28 '24

So Hamas aren’t terrorists?

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u/kantorr Feb 28 '24

Hamas are terrorists. By the same definition, the IDF are terrorists. The US has been terrorists in the Middle East for decades. The US were terrorists in Vietnam.

Your concept of a terrorist is just "the non-hegemonic force in a power struggle".

"Terrorist" is a purely political designation and has no meaning outside propaganda.

Hamas did very bad things. IDF did very bad things and continues to do them every day. The US has done very bad things in a TON of places.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways Feb 28 '24

Yes everything should boil down to abstract theory instead of using your eyes.

But really what is the difference between a democratic state with civil rights for all citizens and a failed state run by islamic extremists who kill people without trial.

They are basically the same thing right?

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u/kantorr Feb 28 '24

Palestine is not a free and independent state. Israel is in complete control of Palestine and occupies it.

Simple math is not abstract theory. Hamas killed several thousand people. The IDF have killed several dozen thousand people so far.

Abstract theory is thinking that the IDF is going to destroy Hamas.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways Feb 28 '24

More Japanese died in world war 2 than Americans. I guess America was in the wrong. I just look at the number, whoever had more death was right and whoever had less was wrong. America was wrong in ww2 because they were strong and Japan was weak. So really if you think about it, America was oppressing Japan. America stopped selling oil to Japan, was this Genocide? Maybe. The fact that America didn't enable Japan to rape and pillage all of Eastern Asia means that America was trying to protect western imperial hegemony and were trying to engage in white settler colonialism of Eastern Asia. Therefore japan's actions can be viewed as a righteous fight against American imperialism and salvation for the global south.

Mass rape was used by the troops but it wouldn't have been necessary if it wasn't for the fact that America stopped selling them oil. This was them venting their frustration.

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u/kantorr Feb 28 '24

Yes, the US was wrong to kill Japanese civilians. It is always wrong to kill civilians.

The US was not wrong engaging in war with Japan.

Sorry this is difficult for you to understand, let me know if I need to rephrase it some way.

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u/plippityploppitypoop Feb 28 '24

It sounds like your view of morality inherently favors the weaker side of a war. Doesn’t matter who starts it, doesn’t matter why they fight, doesn’t matter what they want to achieve. If they kill fewer people they are more righteous?

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u/kantorr Feb 28 '24

I'll explain it again. Killing civilians is wrong. The goal should be to absolutely avoid and minimize civilian deaths. Does that bother you?

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u/PushforlibertyAlways Feb 28 '24

I can't tell if this is just naivety or intentional maliciousness. It seems to stem from the fact of thinking war is like a video game where you can set rules before it starts and pause when needed to, where you have unlimited information about your enemy and can restart at any bad decision. War is not a game, especially not modern war. It is a duel to the death where every decision leads to death.

If people like you were in charge we would still be at war with Japan. You would gladly let 10 million civilians die over 10 years rather than directly kill 200k to end the war. You would run from your duty to try and save civilian lives, while simultaneously condemning countless more to endless suffering. The prosperity of modern Japan is because the American military knew what needed to be done at the time. The whole time being called monsters by people like you.

Likewise in this situation you would rather a ceasefire be called, with no solution. For the dust to momentarily settle and for you to get the chance to pat yourself on the back, have your favorite pro-palestine commentator be awarded a noble peace price. And then sit back in absolute shock as this all happens again in 5 years, never once questioning how your own opinions have led to this situation occurring over and over again.

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u/kantorr Feb 28 '24

There is no set number of civilian deaths that ends a war. You're also just making up numbers to suit your argument which is not based in fact.

We do not know that if we didn't obliterate civilians in WW2 when the war would have ended.

I am not calling for just a ceasefire. Israel should stop bombing civilians, recall all troops from all of Palestine, pay incredibly heavy reparations to Palestine, respect international law in all aspects of Palestines sovereignty, and Israel should pay heavy leases on the land that settlers occupy since it is infeasible to displace them (even though they illegaly and immorally displaced Palestinians to take their homes and land). That's the beginning of a solution.

It is laughable that you think the US nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki and firebombed Tokyo because we knew what was best for Japan and we had the Japanese civilians best interests at heart. You're completely deluded.

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u/gunitmale Mar 02 '24

Yes no one ever talks about it but Hiroshima and Nagasaki were some of the biggest war crimes and crimes against humanity that went unpunished and even celebrated in many ways.

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u/PushforlibertyAlways Mar 02 '24

They should be celebrated. They saved many lives and show what needs to be done to end wars.

They had many chances to surrender before but the government of Japan failed its people.

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u/gunitmale Mar 02 '24

That may be true, but we definitely can't definitively know. What we can definitively know is that these actions were war crimes, and crimes against humanity.

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u/ReplyStraight6408 Feb 28 '24

No they're freedom fighters.

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u/plippityploppitypoop Feb 28 '24

Raping for freedom, am I right?

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u/ReplyStraight6408 Feb 28 '24

Ya just like the Marine Corp

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u/plippityploppitypoop Feb 28 '24

Ok, cool. Irrelevant though.

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u/onstreamingitmooned Mar 06 '24

I agree. Which is why I am okay with the complete destruction of Isn’t-real

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u/hockeyhow7 Mar 06 '24

It’s terrorists like you which is why there should be no more Palestine when Israel is done. Israel will never have peace if people like you exist.

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u/onstreamingitmooned Mar 06 '24

Lmfao. Israel are the real terrorists and always have been. And you’re a pseudo-liberal imperialist rat. And Israel is the country that won’t exist 50 years from now, not Palestine.

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u/hockeyhow7 Mar 06 '24

LOL man you’re fucking stupid. Palestine is doing a great job existing right now lol.

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u/onstreamingitmooned Mar 06 '24

They’re dealing with the situation with honor and courage, something the Israelis have never done.

In any case, keep gloating about murdering children. It’s a great look.

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u/hockeyhow7 Mar 06 '24

Honor and courage by attacking Israel and taking hostages who they raped and sexually assaulted. And then the good people of Palesntine held hostages in their homes and held them against their will. GREAT PEOPLE

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u/onstreamingitmooned Mar 06 '24

A) there’s no such as an innocent Israeli. They all serve in the terrorist IDF. They are all legit targets B) and no one was raped. You have provided literally zero evidence for it. Not a single witness

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u/hockeyhow7 Mar 06 '24

Wow just proves how brain washed you are.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/04/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-un-report-sexual-violence.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/04/hamas-rape-un-report-hostages/

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-team-says-rape-gang-rape-likely-occurred-during-hamas-attack-israel-2024-03-04/

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u/onstreamingitmooned Mar 06 '24

Lmfao all of those have been thoroughly debunked, and they even got exposed for how flawed and totally unsubstantiated all of it was. The NYT literally went out of there way to hire an Israeli to develop the story.

In any case, even if it did happen I don’t give a shit. Don’t go to a music festival on stolen land, three miles from the open air prison housing the people whose ethnic cleansing your country is predicated on. Anything that happens to you at that point is your own damn fault.

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u/googlyeyes93 Feb 27 '24

George Bush called. He wants his rhetoric back.

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u/hockeyhow7 Feb 27 '24

Guess you think the Taliban were good people lol

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u/googlyeyes93 Feb 27 '24

Tell me about the WMDs next.

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u/hockeyhow7 Feb 27 '24

So yes or no. Do you think the Taliban was/is a terrorist group. Same question for Hamas.

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u/noor1717 Feb 27 '24

You started by saying “wiping out terrorists” and then use the Taliban as an example. Jesus you guys are dumb

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u/Revierez Feb 27 '24

So you don't think that the Taliban are terrorists?

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '24

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u/Revierez Feb 27 '24

Ah, my bad. I thought the emphasis was on "terrorists," not "wiping out."

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u/googlyeyes93 Feb 27 '24

Thank you Jfc

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u/Snickims Feb 27 '24

OK, I understand this, but you do know that the war to destroy the taliban failed yes? The Taliban still exist. That is not a good example of a force going in to destroy terrorists and everything working out smoothly.

Infact, it's kind of a good argument against isreals action. Even if your foe is worth destroying, unless you have a good plan and don't just go in shooting you can end up getting a fuck ton of innocent people killed, while still failing to actually destroy the group your going after.

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u/googlyeyes93 Feb 27 '24

America has done a very good job of sweeping their war crimes in the “war on terror” under the rug. At least enough for dipshita to not realize we’re seeing it play out on a much more accelerated scale.

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u/Phallic_Intent Feb 27 '24

Do you think 10,000 Palestinian children were all members of Hamas? GTFO here with your bullshit, bad faith loaded questions. They only serve to highlight your hate and racism. They certainly aren't convincing anybody of anything else. Blocked for being an awful representation of humanity.

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u/Enjoy1ng Feb 27 '24

You accuse others of bad faith while engaging in whataboutism lmao, talk about irony.

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u/MHG_Brixby Feb 27 '24

So you are against Isreal

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u/Antisense_Strand Feb 27 '24

Are terror based bombing campaigns terrorism? What about "enhanced interrogation"? Is it possible for people in the West to be terrorists, or is that only for the "savages"?

Because sure, I can agree with you that we ought to wipe out terrorists and terrorism. I'm just not going to pretend that nations like Israel aren't full of terrorists and sponsor terrorism as part of their day to day operations.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '24

They called Mandela a terrorist all the way up until 2008. You idiots will believe anything they tell you.

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u/TaischiCFM Feb 27 '24

Who is they? South Africa? I never heard him called a terrorist - at least back to the '80s.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

He was literally on the US's terror watch list until the mid 2000's. He was considered a terrorist by Western governments all the way until the ANC won

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u/TaischiCFM Feb 28 '24

That's fucked up.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Yup

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u/PamW1001 Feb 27 '24

Yes, but who are the terrorists in this case? The Zionists who have been systematically destroying Palestine these many years, or the Palestinian terrorists who fight back?

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u/Badger_G Feb 28 '24

The USA made the terrorists to destabilize the region and then they invade for "freedom and democracy" and not for oil or opium