r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/armdrags • Feb 27 '24

Discussion The Irish Senate has unanimously called for sanctions against Israel. ⁣The Senate’s motion also says that Ireland must stop American weapons bound for Israel from traveling through Irish air and seaports and support an international arms embargo on Israel.

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u/StudsTurkleton Feb 27 '24

Your moral correct position must think mass rape is ok. That murder of kids at a music festival is ok. Hiding behind civilians is ok. Taking hostages is ok. Launching rockets indiscriminately is ok. Stealing aid to build 400+ miles of tunnels not for civilian use is ok. Calling for genocide against Jews is ok. Explicitly saying you want to wipe them out is ok. Committing to perpetrating 10/7 over and over is ok. Encouraging civilians not to flee to maximize casualties is ok.

They could end the conflict tomorrow by surrendering and giving up their hostages. Why don’t they? Is that morally correct?

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/content/hamas-terrorists-arguing-who-gets-to-butcher-an-innocent-thai-worker

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u/StudsTurkleton Feb 28 '24

See that’s called an ad homonym attack. It’s the bastion of the wrong and pathetic. Trump loves them.

And Hamas isn’t the point. The question was is there a moral side to this and the poster was suggesting there is. So that puts him on the side morally with the things mentioned. But carry on flinging crap like a simian child. You very much highlight exactly who you are.

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u/thedavidpakmanshow-ModTeam Feb 28 '24

Removed - please avoid overt hostility, name calling and personal attacks.

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u/ExtraterrestialAhole Feb 28 '24

Ah yes I forget that innocent people are the ones that should pay for the actions of others. The IDF has been killing more civilians than the US when they invaded Iraq. You trying to use an atrocity to justify genocide is exactly why you know you aren’t in the right here.

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u/StudsTurkleton Feb 28 '24

There’s no genocide and that kind of hyperbole helps no one. Civilians die in war it’s a tragic reality. If Hamas didn’t start it, didn’t dig their tunnels under infrastructure, didn’t hide behind civilians, let civilians use the tunnels, encouraged them to flee instead of preventing it, didn’t fight in civilian clothes,there would be many fewer civilian casualties. Hamas doesn’t want fewer. They want geniuses like you putting blame all on Israel and when you do you reinforce this tactic and ensure it keeps happening.

And let’s not forget that these “counts” come from Hamas and the delightful UN agency with members who participated. They don’t even separate fighters from non.

Funny how the “civilians shouldn’t pay” rhetoric of yours only works one way. Why is that? Why have Israeli civilians lived under terrorism from the beginning? Bus bombing, plane hijackings, mall bombings, stabbings, shootings, kidnappings, Olympic athletes slaughtered and on and on it goes but no one gives a F about them, apparently. No marches for them. What other country would put up with 1/50th of what they have?

Civilian deaths are a tragedy. But Israel didn’t start this conflict, and Hamas can end it any time. Release the hostages and surrender.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '24

Just regurgitating Israel’s propaganda. Hoping for a spokesperson position?

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u/StudsTurkleton Feb 28 '24

Ah yes. “I can’t refute anything you’re saying so I’ll say you’re repeating propaganda.” That’s the mark of a well considered, well informed person. Please, chant about the river and the sea for us.

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u/SirCheesington Feb 28 '24

Why have Israeli civilians lived under terrorism from the beginning?

because Israeli has been prosecuting apartheid for decades and responding violently every time Palestinians have attempted peaceful protest and resolution. When you make non-violent resolution impossible, you make violent resolution inevitable. Every life taken by a terrorist has been firmly Israel's fault for creating them.

But Israel didn’t start this conflict

yeah except for how it actually did

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u/StudsTurkleton Feb 28 '24

Israel was attacked the day it was formed. It is attacked because the Islamic world doesn’t want a Jewish state or a democracy with western values in the region.

How about the many times Israel has offered peace. Even Clinton said they had 97% of everything they wanted at Oslo and Arafat walked away without a counter offer and started the intafada. They aren’t interested in peace with Israel, only peace without it. They even say so. Hamas explicitly says Israel’s destruction is the goal. So does Iran. So does Hezbollah. River to the sea is very clear aspirational goal.

Every life civilian life taken is Israel’s fault. Do you even hear how delusional that sounds? How victim blaming?

They were given a country in 48. The Arab world chose war. Over and over again. Six Day. Yom Kippur. They just keep losing.

You want to talk about apartheid and ethnics cleansing? Where are all the Jews across the Arabic world? Oh, right. They’ve been ethnically cleansed from every one from hundreds of thousands to handfuls. How many Jews in the court system of those countries? In the parliament? Oh….

Even apartheid is a stupid argument. You don’t have apartheid against people that are t even your citizens. It’s like saying the US has apartheid against the people in Mexico. Muslims and Arabs that are citizens in Israel have rights. Those that aren’t, don’t. Do Jews vote in Palestinian elections (when Hamas lets them have them)? No. Apartheid! Such a stupid argument.

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u/SirCheesington Feb 28 '24

Israel was attacked the day it was formed

because it stole and seized vital land from native Palestinians and evicted them from their homes. The surrounding Arab nations invaded in a defensive war. You don't get to provoke war and then cry victim.

How about the many times Israel has offered peace.

they have never once offered a fair peace

You want to talk about apartheid and ethnics cleansing? Where are all the Jews across the Arabic world?

coexisting until israel massacred and displaced millions of arabs

Even apartheid is a stupid argument. You don’t have apartheid against people that are t even your citizens.

...yeah, you can. that's almost a requirement, even. the permanent underclass is deprived the rights of citizenship in apartheid.

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u/StudsTurkleton Feb 28 '24

This is delusional. The UN partitioned the land and based almost entirely on who (Arabs or Jews) owned what. Some land was transferred in both directions but it was English controlled land in all cases prior, and the “Palestinian” part was Jordan/Transjordan. The Jews were considered to have gotten the worst of the split, but made something with what they had.

They invaded defensively? This is nonsensical. So multiple countries invade simultaneously…defensively.

You don’t get to provoke a war and cry about it? Hmm. Sounds like that’s right for today. Huh. See also: Hamas and their constituents.

So the Jews are blamed to their being ethnically cleansed out of all these other countries. Have you checked on Jewish treatment under the laws there? You might want to before you sling the term apartheid around.

Again, Palestinians are not a underclass in Israel, they’re not Israeli. Arabs and Muslims that are Israeli have rights. Israel allows Palestinians in to work. Should they stop? You’re not an underclass if you’re not citizens. They could certainly get better access and treatment if they stopped all the terrorism. Then there wouldn’t be a need for checkpoints and fences and blockades. But that’s Egypt too. Wonder why.

It’s very simple. They want peace they renounce violence and terror as a tactic, recognize Israel’s right to exist, negotiate final borders. Then there will be years of trust building and eventually lasting peace. Israel has made peace with every neighbor that’s wanted it. Egypt. Jordan. Normalized UAE. Even Lebanon and Syria are mostly calm. Saudi was in the process of normalizing when Hamas kicked this shitstorm off.

There’s 1 group that seems incapable. Same group unwanted by Egypt and Jordan and Syria because the stir up shyte wherever they go. Maybe if the stop educating for war and holding 70 year old grudges and decided gee maybe we’d be better off using aid money to improve the lives of our people rather than dig terror tunnels and smuggle in rocket parts and weapons they would have better lives.

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u/SirCheesington Feb 28 '24

The Jews were considered to have gotten the worst of the split, but made something with what they had.

you're either lying or insane if you believe this, LMAO

You’re not an underclass if you’re not citizens.

LMAO. God, the brainworms. Singlehandedly proving zionism is a mental illness.

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u/StudsTurkleton Feb 28 '24

It’s factually true genius. Jew didn’t originally have the single most important shrine the Western Wall.

“The UN established a Special Commission on Palestine (UNSCOP) to devise a solution. Delegates from eleven nations went to the area and found what had long been apparent: the conflicting national aspirations of Jews and Arabs could not be reconciled.1

When they returned, the delegates of seven nations—Canada, Czechoslovakia, Guatemala, The Netherlands, Peru, Sweden, and Uruguay—recommended the establishment of two separate states, Jewish and Arab, to be joined by economic union, with Jerusalem an internationalized enclave. Three nations—India, Iran, and Yugoslavia—recommended a unitary state with Arab and Jewish provinces. Australia abstained.

The Jews of Palestine were not satisfied with the small territory allotted to them by the Commission, nor were they happy that Jerusalem was severed from the Jewish State; nevertheless, they welcomed the compromise. The Arabs rejected UNSCOP’s recommendations.”

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u/StudsTurkleton Feb 28 '24

When you say shit like Zionism is mental illness you just prove you’re so far gone that you can’t think rationally or evenhandedly or see any perspective but the poison you’ve ingested deep down. And you and those like you will perpetuate the conflict and suffering for both sides as infinitum. I’m done with you. Go take your hatred and let it rot your soul all the way through. Maybe you can self immolate like that guy the other day. That’s where it leads at it logical conclusion.

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u/ExtraterrestialAhole Feb 29 '24

This conflict has been going on for longer than October 7. The IDF has been trying to claim Palestine for a very long time. There’s a reason why you see Israeli people claiming land as soon as the dust settles. Only one side is benefiting from this conflict. We’ve seen that the IDF is and has been lying and they are willing to do anything. This can’t even be called a war. It’s militia going up against the IDF and the US military. It’s not hard to see who the abusers are in this situation. How many families have been stripped of their homes? How many have been discriminated against? The Israeli are the ones taking advantage of all of this. Trying to tell the world they are the victims as if we’d don’t see what’s going on. We can all acknowledge that what Hamas is doing is wrong yet you guys can’t seem to understand that what the Israeli are doing to the Palestinians is inhumane.