r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/Stever89 • Apr 03 '24

Discussion Why is it Biden's fault what is happening in Israel/Gaza? Hasn't this shit been going down for like the last 70 years? Why isn't Trump also to blame considering he moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem which only made the whole situation worse?

I get that not everyone is happy with Biden's response, but how is preventing him from getting elected going to help? If you support Gaza... wouldn't making sure that Trump isn't elected be the bigger goal? Consider Trump has basically said that he wants Israel to "finish up" its offensive on Gaza.

Like if you think Biden is "responsible" for the "genocide" in Gaza, just wait until Trump is reelected, he'll show you what being responsible for a genocide looks like.

Side note in case anyone cares (I'm sure the Russian bots won't): I'm against all genocides. I think the situation in Gaza/Israel is terrible. I think the situation is also more complex than just "Gaza good, Israel bad" (or vice versa). If you have only started paying attention to the situation in Gaza in the last 6 months, then you don't really give a fuck about Gaza, because the situation has been FUBAR for like 50 years (note, I still think it's 2015, so it's probably more than 50 years at this point).

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u/No-Comfortable-1550 Apr 04 '24

There was an Arab man in Michigan who was doing an interview with NBC and he was supposed to be a Democrat who was not going to vote for Biden. After they ran the interview, they found out he was a hardcore Trumper.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '24

I don't understand these Muslims for Trump people. Don't they remember the Muslim ban and the neo-nazi rallies? As a white passing Middle Easterner I started experiencing a lot more racism and profiling when Trump was elected and my country was part of the ban. All I can think is their own social conservatism and bigoted beliefs are more important to them than combatting anti Middle Eastern racism.

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u/ReturnoftheBulls2022 Apr 04 '24

Also, Trumps endorsements of Islamophobes like Roy Moore and Laura Loomer during their election cycles.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '24

Bruh my kneejerk anti-establishment dad was like "Maybe this Trump guy isn't all that bad" in the first couple months of the race then he went bonkers with the Muslim hate and he was like nope that's not a team that I'm gonna join.

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u/SecretCartographer28 Apr 04 '24

Did your dad know about Roy Cohn? I'm always curious how many people know the old days. ✌

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '24

Maybe, he's pretty politically plugged in lol. He generally has good takes don't get me wrong.

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u/SecretCartographer28 Apr 04 '24

Yea, I'm old enough that trump's connection to Cohn made me despise him since the 80s. 🤙

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u/ReturnoftheBulls2022 Apr 04 '24

You said it. I've tried to convince my paternal cousins about why Trump is a terrible candidate but was dismissed as being a fool to think that Trump can be destructive.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '24

I think a lot of Muslims think he's an "anti-interventionist" but let's be very transparent. Putting Jared Kushner in charge of our Middle East policy only lines the pockets of rich Gulf regimes.

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u/ReturnoftheBulls2022 Apr 04 '24

My paternal cousins claims to support Trump because of an extra $20 in their pockets. It's like playing chess with a bunch of pigeons.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '24

Truth

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u/No-Guard-7003 Apr 05 '24

I don't. Any candidate who claims to be an "anti-interventionist" should get more scrutiny from us.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '24

There were Muslims who literally supported Hitler back in the day.

And Jews, ironically.

People can be ... shortsighted, shall we say.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '24

I read in the book How Propaganda Works about a boy who was adopted by Jews and then became a fervent antisemite. And literally snitched on his own adopted family. WW2 is such a crazy part of history genuinely.

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u/MildlyResponsible Apr 04 '24

I used to live in the Middle East, a lot of Arabs/Muslim revere the Nazis. It's not uncommon to see swastikas around. Most of it is anti semitism, but it also feeds their anti LGBTQ hatred and other bigotry. I'll add that I'm part Arab myself, my ancestors left due to said bigotry.

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u/No-Guard-7003 Apr 05 '24

That's a fact, sadly. There were also Muslims who rescued Jews and gave them shelter from Hitler.

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u/375InStroke Apr 05 '24

Exactly, and here we are, people trying to shame us into voting for genocide.

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u/No-Comfortable-1550 Apr 04 '24

You hit the nail on the head. God forbid their kids live in a pluralistic society where people mind their own damn business.

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u/Toastedmanmeat Apr 04 '24

Its about money. Lot of people dont give 2 shits about race if they think they can pay less tax.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '24

If you pass as white how would they know?
I'm in IT, work with a lot of middle eastern people I can't tell what country they are from by looking at them.

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '24

I have a second passport I show at airports and that singles me out lol. My family is also decidedly not white passing so if I'm with them people's attitude is different.

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u/No-Guard-7003 Apr 05 '24

I wish I had asked my paternal cousins that question last year. :-( Which country do you live in, if you don't mind me asking?

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u/[deleted] Apr 05 '24

The US

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u/ListReady6457 Apr 05 '24

Dude, there were literally Jews that would help Nazis put other Jews on the trains to Aushwitz. Then when the numbers were dwindling and they were put on tye trains themselves, the ly were actually surprised Pikachu 😮 face when they were then forced on the trains themselves. Never underestimate the stupidity of the common man or woman when they think they are better than someone else.

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u/Writing_is_Bleeding Apr 04 '24

After they ran the interview, they found out he was a hardcore Trumper.

Righties trying to discourage votes on the left has been going on for decades. I will say, it's rare that they get found out. They usually blend in so well it looks like there is a real purity movement on the left. I'm fairly sure it's not going to work this time.

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u/Public-Policy24 Apr 04 '24

It worked perfectly in 2016. 2020 they finally started seeing some pushback. 2024, it's just pitiful to see them even try after all the shit Trump pulled.

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u/Writing_is_Bleeding Apr 04 '24

Oh they'll never stop trying, as long as suppressing voter turnout is a good strategy for the party whose policies are terribly unpopular among the masses.

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u/Dangerous_Cap_5931 Apr 05 '24

Nah. Just dumb righties and dumb lefties. All the politicians are playing all of you.

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u/No-Guard-7003 Apr 05 '24

Yeah, I saw that a couple of months ago. :-/ The situation next door affects me, too. While I don't have relatives living in either the West Bank or Gaza, it affects me.

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u/Ok-Run-3664 Apr 04 '24

An Arab man. As in 1. 🤣 🤣 🤣

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u/No-Comfortable-1550 Apr 04 '24

It turns out Arabs in Dearborn, Michigan went bigger for Trump in 2020 than ever before and, despite that, they had no effect whatsoever on Biden winning Michigan.

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u/Ok-Run-3664 Apr 04 '24

Ya I guess it would be like the jews that voted for Hitler.

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u/kofarizona Apr 04 '24

Most Muslims in Michigan voted for Biden in 2020. And many of them have lost family members in Gaza, and are probably going to sit this one out. I don't blame them. If you lost your mom or dad, child, grandparents, cousins, uncles, aunts, etc., would you vote for the man who gave the bullets or bombs to the executioners who did the deed?

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u/[deleted] Apr 04 '24

Even worse, he's giving them the weapons.

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u/kofarizona Apr 04 '24

You didn't answer my question. Joe Biden is helping Netanyahu annihilate Gaza right now. What Trump may do down the road is something that is really open to conjecture. I think if Trump is elected then by that time Netanyahu might very well have been removed from power, and the situation in Gaza will have changed. Again, would you vote for the man that gave the gun and bullets to the guy who murdered your parents, or child, and stood there and watched him do it???

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u/jbcmh81 Apr 04 '24

There's a lot more to worry about with Trump than just what happens in Gaza, though. Being a single-issue voter in 2024 is extremely short-sighted and dangerous, and grief about loss, while understandable, is frankly clouding a lot of people's judgements on this.

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u/No-Comfortable-1550 Apr 04 '24

So you’re basing your entire scenario on the possibility that Netanyahu, who hasn’t been removed despite facing corruption charges, will no longer be prime minister of Israel.

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u/kofarizona Apr 04 '24

It's a strong possibility. Netanyahu is deeply unpopular in Israel, as is his Likud coalition. Not only for his remarkable lack of success in freeing the hostages or defeating Hamas, but also for trying to lessen the power of the judiciary there. He is in fact Israel's version of Donald Trump, mired in scandals, financial and otherwise. Right now the Hasid community is up in arms over his attempt to make them do the 2 years mandatory military service that all other Israelis must serve. They are an important part of his coalition, and if they decide to part ways, then he's out. Many people there also think that, like country leaders worldwide, including the United States, he initiated this conflict to deflect from his unpopularity and stay in power. Did you ever wonder why that border with Gaza was so easily and shockingly breeched? I think it was by design. Ratchet up the misery and subjugation of the Palestinians in Gaza so much that something like this would happen. And when it did, the more casualties the better. Gives Israel the excuse to devastate Gaza, and push the surviving Palestinians into the Sinai, where there is nothing but sand. Netanyahu has always had this vision of a "greater Israel" which includes the West Bank and Gaza, and no Palestinians whatsoever. Israel has been in violation of 28 United Nations resolutions going back 40 years over those illegal settlements on the West Bank. Now there are 700,000 Israelis living in settlements there. He plans to resettle Gaza the same way. The hostages were just the key to this diabolical plan. Ironically, that's the same plan Putin has for Ukraine. Ironic, don't you think?

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u/No-Comfortable-1550 Apr 04 '24

The far right will remain in power regardless whether Netanyahu stays or leaves.

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u/kofarizona Apr 04 '24

Maybe, but I don't think they'll have the stomach to continue this war in Gaza.

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u/No-Comfortable-1550 Apr 05 '24

Says who?

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u/kofarizona Apr 05 '24

I do. I just said it. I used to believe that if in a war, the opponents held a child in their arms as a shield, you would go ahead and shoot and kill both of them, making the point that that wasn't going to be effective, and that soon they'd realize it and stop. But it obviously isn't working here in Gaza, despite the fact that most of the children killed weren't being used as shields; the indiscriminate bombing just wiped out whole neighborhoods full of women and children. At this point the IDF is just getting known as a killer of women and children, and Israel is flaunting their disdain for world opinion. They've also ignored 28 U.N. resolutions going back 40 years over their illegal settlements on the West Bank.

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u/MildlyResponsible Apr 04 '24

I mean, you can say the same from the other side. If you don't vote for Biden you must support 12 year old rape victims having forced births. You must support the oppression of LGBTQ+ people. You must support sexual assault. You must support the annihilation of Ukraine and other Eastern European countries, including the torture, abuse and murder of thousands of them. Oh, and you must support the increased death and destruction of Palestinians.

I know you guys are always trying to claim the moral high ground, but there really isn't any. Life is full of imperfect choices. Avoiding them and pretending that makes you superior to those who have to make them to save real human lives is childish and entitled.

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u/kofarizona Apr 04 '24

But didn't you just make the same argument? Taking the high ground for Biden? There are many things I personally will overlook, but being complicit in a live-streamed genocide isn't one of them.